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I think it's easier, with sandy you are way more limited on voltages and it's much more likely you'll degrade it. With ivy 1.5v+ is just getting into uncomfortable zone, but it's not deadly and I don't think anyone has had problems with 1.5v. I haven't heard any reports of ivy degrading really.

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That's all based if your Delidded btw.
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I think it's easier, with sandy you are way more limited on voltages and it's much more likely you'll degrade it. With ivy 1.5v+ is just getting into uncomfortable zone, but it's not deadly and I don't think anyone has had problems with 1.5v. I haven't heard any reports of ivy degrading really.

Well I would think you are actually more limited on the Ivy instead because of the lower base voltage?

In the end it's just a lottery I guess how well it will go.
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Well I would think you are actually more limited on the Ivy instead because of the lower base voltage?

In the end it's just a lottery I guess how well it will go.

No the lower base voltage means more headroom for Overclocking but the temps are what hold you back more than anything. tongue.gif
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No the lower base voltage means more headroom for Overclocking but the temps are what hold you back more than anything. tongue.gif

I wouldn't even think of doing it without delidding if I have to keep it smile.gif

Custom setup + delid + liquid pro = byebye issues.
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valkeriefire is correct, if you use more LLC in your case "turbo" it makes your idle vcore lower

with the same offset and starting voltage the higher your llc the lower your idle voltage and higher your load voltage.
most people using offset either turn off LLC or use the lowest setting depending on how much they OC.
you'll have to play around with it a lot to figure out which combination of offset and LLC will work for your setup.

on the other hand with constant vcore you can just set LLC to 2nd highest and change your vcore till stable.

And if you think about it idle wattage is nothing in both cases the difference might be $1-5 in electricity over the entire year. and offset usually needs more voltage than constant under load where energy usage is significantly higher. if you are trying to save money. If it is longevity, the highest voltage, and max temp you put it under would affect that more than idle voltage/temps.

anyway good luck

Your suggesting I take the direct vcore increment route?
I tried yesterday to see what it means in watts DVID vs Vcore at the same settings at idle and vcore increment came in 7w higher than DVID offset at boot voltage settings. I'll surely look into that, I feel I can clock 4.7Ghz with roughly the same voltage in direct vcore than offset.
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If you leave your computer on idle 24/365 at +7W and $0.11 a kilowatt/hour you pay $6.75 more for that year. But then why have it on at all if it is "idle" every single day.
Also you have to think whether the time/effort/energy/tears/gnashing of teeth trying to find a "offset" voltage to save $6.75/year is worth it to you. over 5 years its $34 if you have it on 24/365. but under load where the cpu starts pulling +100A you notice offset requires more Watts and IMO that's where constant beats out offset more than offset beats out constant under idle.

since my computer is on for only 8 hours a day, and off during vacations and family events, I can say I won't save even $10 over the 5 years.
If you really want to save energy, save it where it will matter most. only use 1x19" LCD 1440x900 monitor. your comp will have to draw 60% less pixels than 1080p. you'll save in component costs as your comp doesn't have to be as powerful, and on your AC bill too since your comp doesn't produce as much heat. The cpu,gpu, lcd backlight will all use less energy, and make less heat, then you need less fans, etc, etc, etc. The savings is just a big snowball after that. Also using headphones instead of speakers saves quite a bit of energy.


I know everyone is trying to become more "green" but i think they are going about it the wrong way.
IMO spending the effort to reinsulating your house, or making sure your doors and windows have good seals, put a layer of insulation around your water heater, having a hybrid water heater, having an attic exhaust/intake fan, making sure your tires are inflated properly will save you way more energy and money in the long run. and these are simple things.
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If you leave your computer on idle 24/365 at +7W and $0.11 a kilowatt/hour you pay $6.75 more for that year. But then why have it on at all if it is "idle" every single day.
Also you have to think whether the time/effort/energy/tears/gnashing of teeth trying to find a "offset" voltage to save $6.75/year is worth it to you. over 5 years its $34 if you have it on 24/365. but under load where the cpu starts pulling +100A you notice offset requires more Watts and IMO that's where constant beats out offset more than offset beats out constant under idle.

since my computer is on for only 8 hours a day, and off during vacations and family events, I can say I won't save even $10 over the 5 years.
If you really want to save energy, save it where it will matter most. only use 1x19" LCD 1440x900 monitor. your comp will have to draw 60% less pixels than 1080p. you'll save in component costs as your comp doesn't have to be as powerful, and on your AC bill too since your comp doesn't produce as much heat. The cpu,gpu, lcd backlight will all use less energy, and make less heat, then you need less fans, etc, etc, etc. The savings is just a big snowball after that. Also using headphones instead of speakers saves quite a bit of energy.


I know everyone is trying to become more "green" but i think they are going about it the wrong way.
IMO spending the effort to reinsulating your house, or making sure your doors and windows have good seals, put a layer of insulation around your water heater, having a hybrid water heater, having an attic exhaust/intake fan, making sure your tires are inflated properly will save you way more energy and money in the long run. and these are simple things.
Offset has nothing to do with saving money for me, it is about saving my chip and holding off degradation as long as possible. It is completely illogical to pump the very significantly raised voltage that comes with overclocking to your CPU all the time. More voltage means more heat, more heat and more voltage means faster degradation. Offset significantly reduces the heat and voltage during normal use.
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^This is, however, much more important for high overclocks vs. mild ones.
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it is very logical when that increased voltage means nothing to the degradation of the chip. but if you want to talk about illogical, I would say it is more illogical to void the intel stock and overclocker warrantys just to delid. Because if you were truly worried about it dying on you, you would have kept those. but I digress.

If you aren't pumping +1.5v though it at +90c, it doesn't seem to matter at all, and even then not in noticeable way . though IB is relatively new, it is tougher than any chip that has come before it. LN ocers will agree that the ivy bridge 3770k is one tough chip. Repeated runs of 1.7v at +6.5ghz will not degrade the chip it seems, but will definitely degrade a SB chip even it if sniffed ~1.5v
I think VonDutch ran 1.7v through his 3770k under water, but it didn't have any noticeable change, though it is new, he still has very high oc for air/water afterwards.

of course you are welcome to your opinion, I could be wrong and one day anyone that put +1.2v though it will just stop working all of a sudden, but for two reasons, 1, from release of 3770k till now, it seems even if you abuse the hell out of your chip, it will happily keep working for you. And 2, even if it does break at that point I'll probably just get a skylake/skymont cpu since it will be 2016 or so and its time for an upgrade because i'll want to use Sata5/sataExpress SSD's, PCIe 4.0, 10Gb connectivity, native USB4, and other "new" stuff that will be out at that time.
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it is very logical when that increased voltage means nothing to the degradation of the chip. but if you want to talk about illogical, I would say it is more illogical to void the intel stock and overclocker warrantys just to delid. Because if you were truly worried about it dying on you, you would have kept those. but I digress.

If you aren't pumping +1.5v though it at +90c, it doesn't seem to matter at all, and even then not in noticeable way . though IB is relatively new, it is tougher than any chip that has come before it. LN ocers will agree that the ivy bridge 3770k is one tough chip. Repeated runs of 1.7v at +6.5ghz will not degrade the chip it seems, but will definitely degrade a SB chip even it if sniffed ~1.5v
I think VonDutch ran 1.7v through his 3770k under water, but it didn't have any noticeable change, though it is new, he still has very high oc for air/water afterwards.

of course you are welcome to your opinion, I could be wrong and one day anyone that put +1.2v though it will just stop working all of a sudden, but for two reasons, 1, from release of 3770k till now, it seems even if you abuse the hell out of your chip, it will happily keep working for you. And 2, even if it does break at that point I'll probably just get a skylake/skymont cpu since it will be 2016 or so and its time for an upgrade because i'll want to use Sata5/sataExpress SSD's, PCIe 4.0, 10Gb connectivity, native USB4, and other "new" stuff that will be out at that time.

Not true, I ran my 2500K with constant 1.5V for over a year without issues before switching to offset, took about 2-3 months of 1.6V for it to die.
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