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What is the max voltage to ram? Can i put more than 1.65v?

I use up to 1.75VC without a second thought, & go up to 1.85 - 1.9V for quick testing & benchmarks.
    
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I really don't understand what the big deal about delidding really is. The probability of an intel chip failing due to deffect is far lower than any other single component in the pc. I have never heard of a chip die before, only motherboard. And in addition, as far as abuse is concerned, ivy bridge seems to pass the "secret agent" torture test (taking on +1.5v with a 6Ghz). It still amazes me how much battering this chip can take.

So the only difference I see between delids and non-delids has now to be looked at in terms of the owners, which is cajones. Let me surprise everybody, my casing doesn't have a single case cooling fan, mine is purely modded on air conventional currents and grill works, I literary used a surgical scalpel size 24 (if you are a surgeon who understands scalpel sizes and shapes). What made it easy is from the videos I had a good idea where the actual chip really is, it was really easy it literally slid like it was butter holding the chip ones the blade had all the 4 corners. The greatest asset that ensures a successful delid is patience. Otherwise a hyper 212+ can't really restrain a supernova ivy bridge 12hr prime stable without removal of the stock TIM.
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1.176V, 4.6GHz right now on my new 3570K.

No delidding (yet atleast..), seems promising though if this holds for atleast 30 minutes in Prime.

EDIT: Isn't the TJMax supposed to be 105C? Why is mine throttling at 98C already?
EDIT2: Throttling at 5GHz/1.44V while running IBT that is.
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@Stige,

Are you sure are getting 4.6 with 1.176v? If so that is amazing. You shouldn't hit 98C with that voltage if you have any sort of decent cooler. Check your voltage, something sounds off. I've never gotten to 98C so I haven't seen the throttle, but I've used way more volts than that.
 
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@Stige,

Are you sure are getting 4.6 with 1.176v? If so that is amazing. You shouldn't hit 98C with that voltage if you have any sort of decent cooler. Check your voltage, something sounds off. I've never gotten to 98C so I haven't seen the throttle, but I've used way more volts than that.

The 98C was with 5GHz at 1.44V tongue.gif

Which was in reality the TJMax at 105C but RealTemp had TJMax at 98C for some reason still so it showed slightly lower temps.

I only ran Prime for 20 minutes and IBT for 10 runs with that 4.6GHz, was too eager to have a shot at 5GHz tongue.gif
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Why is this the ivy bridge stable club but results testing for only 12 hours are allowed? They should really not be allowed, it's useless information and it only encourages people to not fully stability test their systems.

Most of my overclocks fail 12-24 hours, it doesn't mean anything if you can pass 50 runs of IBT or just 12 hours of prime95. You have to run at least ~23 hours of prime95 to run all 80+ 15 minutes tests that blend does.

I bet at least half those 12 hour results would go away if ran for 30 hours, at least. I can do 12 hours on a good .5v less than what i need for 24.

And in reality 12 hours of Prime or 36 hours means nothing, if it is stable in regular use then IT IS STABLE.

I haven't gotten a single BSOD for a loooooooooong time and I have never ran Prime for more than 30mins to test stability/temps and 10 runs of IBT on Standard.

You couldn't be more wrong about "being stable".

Do you even realize how much .5V is when you say that?

I propably got trolled but...

Yes, but 12 hours of p95 is hardly a guarantee of stability. 24 hours is much better test for stability because it actually tests every sector of your CPU and system, whereas 12 hours only does half of the priem95's tests. It makes no logical sense to think 12 hours of prime95 means something - you obviously think it's important enough to do 12 hours, but you only doing half of prime95's tests.

Just because you haven't gotten a BSOD in a 'loooong' time when all you did was 30 min of p95 or 10 runs ibt doesn't mean anything, it'll only be a sick joke when you have 'hardware incompatibility' issues when you get something new when in reality your RAM has been faulty this whole time (2/8 pieces of hardware I buy has to be RMAd, so I'd say the odds are against you). I've had plenty of faulty hardware pass 12 hours of prime95, most of it could actually.

And in 2 years when you have to reinstall windows and lose all your files, don't come crying. Now maybe you just have a gamer-rig and you don't care, but I personally do a lot more than just game, I'm streaming and cannot have a stream shutdown. Streaming is almost as stressful as running prime95, it'll max out CPU load on all cores while gaming, so it's important that my system is stress tested so I don't crash mid-stream or during the middle of a ladder match or a tournament match. I also keep a lot of family photos and pictures on this system, pictures over a 100 years old, rather sensitive data that I'd rather not lose.

If you only did 10 runs of IBT, I guarantee you either didn't bother to find the lowest voltage your system could run it, or, it's nowhere close to stable and you would never pass 24 hours.

Not that 24 hours of prime95 means anything either, frankly, but it comes pretty close to rock solid, and definitely a lot closer than any other means of stress testing (except maybe XTU, of which I don't think many people really understand or use).

I'm not going to get into folding. I have a lot of opinions on folding that aren't too popular here because I know a lot of people who are involved with structural biology.

Please be a little more respectful. I don't throw around 'troll' just because my opinion is different (obviously there was a typo. 05v, if you took a second you'd have realized that), I have come of the opinion that 24 hours of prime95 is absolutely the easiest and quickest way to stress for stability because of overclocking over 5 different AMD and Intel systems in the last year, and using literally every single stress testing suite out there. I could pass 50 runs of IBT, 3000% of HCI memtest, 32m hyperpi, etc, and still fail between 12-24 hours of p95. Most of my overclocks fail in 12-24 hours of p95, just in the last week I've had 5 overclocks fail in the 12-24th hour and only one fail within 12 hours.

I've had a faulty motherboard, faulty RAM, faulty PSU, and all of them could pass 50 IBT, memtest, memtest86+, a million different stress testers, and would even pass 12 hours of prime95, but would consistently fail before the 24th hour. I RMA'd all of them and got a free replacement.

It's not like I'm the only person with this opinion. I think this is a majority opinion amongst people who overclock a lot of systems, especially people who do more than just game and actually need a stable system.
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Yes, but 12 hours of p95 is hardly a guarantee of stability. 24 hours is much better test for stability because it actually tests every sector of your CPU and system, whereas 12 hours only does half of the priem95's tests. It makes no logical sense to think 12 hours of prime95 means something - you obviously think it's important enough to do 12 hours, but you only doing half of prime95's tests.

Just because you haven't gotten a BSOD in a 'loooong' time when all you did was 30 min of p95 or 10 runs ibt doesn't mean anything, it'll only be a sick joke when you have 'hardware incompatibility' issues when you get something new when in reality your RAM has been faulty this whole time (2/8 pieces of hardware I buy has to be RMAd, so I'd say the odds are against you). I've had plenty of faulty hardware pass 12 hours of prime95, most of it could actually.

And in 2 years when you have to reinstall windows and lose all your files, don't come crying. Now maybe you just have a gamer-rig and you don't care, but I personally do a lot more than just game, I'm streaming and cannot have a stream shutdown. Streaming is almost as stressful as running prime95, it'll max out CPU load on all cores while gaming, so it's important that my system is stress tested so I don't crash mid-stream or during the middle of a ladder match or a tournament match. I also keep a lot of family photos and pictures on this system, pictures over a 100 years old, rather sensitive data that I'd rather not lose.

If you only did 10 runs of IBT, I guarantee you either didn't bother to find the lowest voltage your system could run it, or, it's nowhere close to stable and you would never pass 24 hours.

Not that 24 hours of prime95 means anything either, frankly, but it comes pretty close to rock solid, and definitely a lot closer than any other means of stress testing (except maybe XTU, of which I don't think many people really understand or use).

I'm not going to get into folding. I have a lot of opinions on folding that aren't too popular here because I know a lot of people who are involved with structural biology.

Please be a little more respectful. I don't throw around 'troll' just because my opinion is different (obviously there was a typo. 05v, if you took a second you'd have realized that), I have come of the opinion that 24 hours of prime95 is absolutely the easiest and quickest way to stress for stability because of overclocking over 5 different AMD and Intel systems in the last year, and using literally every single stress testing suite out there. I could pass 50 runs of IBT, 3000% of HCI memtest, 32m hyperpi, etc, and still fail between 12-24 hours of p95. Most of my overclocks fail in 12-24 hours of p95, just in the last week I've had 5 overclocks fail in the 12-24th hour and only one fail within 12 hours.

I've had a faulty motherboard, faulty RAM, faulty PSU, and all of them could pass 50 IBT, memtest, memtest86+, a million different stress testers, and would even pass 12 hours of prime95, but would consistently fail before the 24th hour. I RMA'd all of them and got a free replacement.

It's not like I'm the only person with this opinion. I think this is a majority opinion amongst people who overclock a lot of systems, especially people who do more than just game and actually need a stable system.

1. That is where you are wrong, in my opinion Prime is nothing compareable to real world stability, especially stuff like idle/low load BSODs etc, you can't stress test stuff like that away.

2. I have replaced nearly every part of my setup in the last few months, one by one without any issues so I really don't get it what you are on about, maybe you just RMA stuff for ****s and giggles if you fail a Prime run lol

3. I reinstall pretty much every 2-3 months because I like to keep it clean. I wouldn't even think of running it for 2 years without reinstalling.

4. Yes I pretty much game exclusively, even though I don't play a lot but I don't waste my electricity on stuff like folding etc.
I would stream if I could get a internet connection here with higher upload than 1Mbps...

5. Keeping your precious photos in a single place is a silly thing to do and it is totaly your own fault if you lose them in a hardware failure.

So I stand behind my point, first thing I always do is get 10 IBT runs in, easy way to quickly test if it is even remotely stable. Then if it passes Prime95 for 30 minutes I just use it regularly and it has never crashed for me on normal use, ever.
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@ Belial

The word "stability" seems to be more of an opinion as to when something is "good enough" for some people one BSOD every month is stable enough.

so what Stige is saying is, 12 hours is good enough for him since he hasn't gotten a crash or WHEA doing what he is doing with his comp for the length of time that he is thinking of whether it is completely stable or isn't that is up to him really...

As for the "stable club" it is the choice of the person OCing to "join" in and to go just 12 hours or extend his testing for longer.
I'm pretty sure you don't really care that so-and-so got 5ghz and is/isn't stable at 1.1v or this other person got 4.0ghz at 1.5v and is/isn't stable after testing for 100hours.
in the end all the "results" are taken with a grain of salt, that is why their speed, voltage, duration, and cooling method are listed in the spreadsheet.

during the 314~ pages of posts there have been many discussions as to what real "stability" are.
the only problem I see is during the winter your system might be 100% stable with cpu temps sitting at 60c max load, then when summer hits, your cpu might jump to 80c and might not be stable at the same voltage/speed.

There are not many who denounce the "special" Olympics and decree that "real" sports are done the right way. If you view this club's members as "special" in the same sense and that "real" overclockers do things differently you will probably have some opposition to your views.
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1. That is where you are wrong, in my opinion Prime is nothing compareable to real world stability, especially stuff like idle/low load BSODs etc, you can't stress test stuff like that away.

2. I have replaced nearly every part of my setup in the last few months, one by one without any issues so I really don't get it what you are on about, maybe you just RMA stuff for ****s and giggles if you fail a Prime run lol

3. I reinstall pretty much every 2-3 months because I like to keep it clean. I wouldn't even think of running it for 2 years without reinstalling.

4. Yes I pretty much game exclusively, even though I don't play a lot but I don't waste my electricity on stuff like folding etc.
I would stream if I could get a internet connection here with higher upload than 1Mbps...

5. Keeping your precious photos in a single place is a silly thing to do and it is totaly your own fault if you lose them in a hardware failure.

So I stand behind my point, first thing I always do is get 10 IBT runs in, easy way to quickly test if it is even remotely stable. Then if it passes Prime95 for 30 minutes I just use it regularly and it has never crashed for me on normal use, ever.

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@ Belial

The word "stability" seems to be more of an opinion as to when something is "good enough" for some people one BSOD every month is stable enough.

so what Stige is saying is, 12 hours is good enough for him since he hasn't gotten a crash or WHEA doing what he is doing with his comp for the length of time that he is thinking of whether it is completely stable or isn't that is up to him really...

As for the "stable club" it is the choice of the person OCing to "join" in and to go just 12 hours or extend his testing for longer.
I'm pretty sure you don't really care that so-and-so got 5ghz and is/isn't stable at 1.1v or this other person got 4.0ghz at 1.5v and is/isn't stable after testing for 100hours.
in the end all the "results" are taken with a grain of salt, that is why their speed, voltage, duration, and cooling method are listed in the spreadsheet.

during the 314~ pages of posts there have been many discussions as to what real "stability" are.
the only problem I see is during the winter your system might be 100% stable with cpu temps sitting at 60c max load, then when summer hits, your cpu might jump to 80c and might not be stable at the same voltage/speed.

There are not many who denounce the "special" Olympics and decree that "real" sports are done the right way. If you view this club's members as "special" in the same sense and that "real" overclockers do things differently you will probably have some opposition to your views.

Couldn't agree more with both of you.

@ Belial. Stability is a word thrown around way to much. it's like a girl in high school saying she loves you for picking up her books. Doesn't mean a darn thing as the variables are constantly changing when you look into a idle computer and how the CPU works compared to the full load of the CPU things drastically change in the term stability. Then idle many core and threads sleep and take less energy as they aren't needed. I've had blue screens just sitting on the web because a wrong chain command came rolling through my OS files. Meanwhile for Full load a wrong chain has to go through multiple threads and cores to fully offset a CPU from being "stable" thats why the computer usually sit there for a sec and stops then it Blue screens. the chain is being looked at by the CPU and it freaks out and shuts down.

Now with that "real" Overclockers thing. There are 2 kinds of overclockers in my view, New Overclockers, and experienced Overclockers. When I started I played with my stuff on my own and got guidance on voltages only I made my own way of doing it and now I can get an OC stable in a matter of minutes without hardly testing it. It's all dependent on the persons ability to see things and understand the ways to go through the OC's. It's not a matter of who's a real Overclocker, because once you Overclock, You ARE a Overclocker. Nothing else about it.
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So I stand behind my point, first thing I always do is get 10 IBT runs in, easy way to quickly test if it is even remotely stable. Then if it passes Prime95 for 30 minutes I just use it regularly and it has never crashed for me on normal use, ever.
This is exactly what I do. Since I mostly just game on my PC I don't really need to stress for so long. And if it just happens to BSOD one day, I'll just bump the vcore a little tongue.gif
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