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I've had more than one faulty PSU that could prime for 30+ hours no problem, but would have strange crashes during certain programs. Turned out to be a faulty PSU, as evident when the problem went away when I changed my PSU, and because it'd consistently fail PSU testing.

Just a cpu test alone isn't going to draw much power, but if you have a bad voltage regulator on a power supply, it might not handle a higher wattage load. It's not a heavy load on the PSU at all to go to to full load on just the cpu during prime95 once and stay at ~30% utilization for 24 hours, but it might be a lot for it to go to 60-80% utilization all at once. His problems sounded consistent with the PSU problems I've had.

I don't know how you can say that if it can do prime95 then there's clearly no psu issue... the guy didn't give us much information to work with (not saying that there is much more that could be known), so I think it's poor advice on your part to say so surely it's not the PSU. Has nothing to do with how beefy his GPU is either, my faulty PSU was able to prime for 30+ hours on 4.8ghz@1.4v but only had problems when I pushed the vcore above 1.45v or did CPU+GPU tests at the same time. My computer also crashed anytime I opened certain games.

Prime95 is great for CPU and system stability and testing your RAM and CPU. It doesn't tell you if your motherboard, dimm slots, or PSU is faulty, so I don't know how you can bag on prime95 for not testing what it isn't designed to test.
It has nothing to do with how much power your GPU pulls, it has everything to do with how your PSU handles power loads. As I said, quality > quantity. Just because your PSU can handle 600w, does not mean it can handle a quick change from idle to 400w all at once. It's a lot more taxing on a PSU to go from idle to max load on both cpu and gpu, than it is to slowly ramp up the power from 100w to 600w incrementally. A lower quality PSU isn't going to be able to handle such a change in wattage.
Not being able to run HT could mean your CPU is at fault, could be power related - your motherboard, your PSU.

It's still very possible you have a faulty PSU. Run a PSU test, takes all of 5 minutes. OCCT has a dedicated PSU test, which is just it's CPU and GPU stress test at the same time. Run any CPU+GPU test at the same time for a psu test.

Not saying your PSU is definitely the cause, but your issues sound a lot like a faulty PSU. It would be absurd to simply not test your PSU in this instance...

It could just be stability issues, 24 hours of prime95 does not guarantee stability but it does come very close to it, so it's odd you are having such issues. I would be interested to see if raising vcore slightly fixed your problem, but if it didn't, that'd definitely be yet another indicator of faulty power (either motherboard VRM or psu) as your power system can handle the CPU load of 1.35v but nothing higher than that.

I am able to run HT without problems. My psu can handle my CPU even at 1.4 or more; i've had this PSU for 2 years now and it has never caused me any probs.I'll run OCCT.
I just did a PSU OCCT test, running CPU at 4.4GHz and 1.32V. Going to go for 4.6 and an increase in voltage and test for PSU again.

L.e.: just ran occt on 4.6GHz and 1.356V without issues. The only thing I do not like is the Vbat... I don't really know what that is, but maybe it's a miss-read. See attachment.
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You can look up what all the voltages mean (except vinX, that's just unidentified voltage identifier, you'll have to figure out what it means for your particular motherboard). VBAT refers to the CMOS battery on your motherboard, you know, the one you can pull out. It should be 3v. You'd have boot issues and bios issues with that, not stability issues, I believe. Weird reading but hwmonitor is weird, I wouldnt trust hwmonitor (which is what occt uses).

Okay well try more vcore, as valguar suggested. Could be a million things here, maybe just 24 hours of prime95 didn't catch instability. Which would be odd, but possible (you sure you didn't get any kernel-WHEA errors while testing prime95, and you made sure to use 80%+ ram usage in a custom blend, and made sure to check off sum input and rounding checking?).

If just a little more vcore fixed the issue with your games crashing that'd be pretty straightforward. Could be that some of your threads aren't stable, hence why when HT is off you are able to boot up the game.
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You can look up what all the voltages mean (except vinX, that's just unidentified voltage identifier, you'll have to figure out what it means for your particular motherboard). VBAT refers to the CMOS battery on your motherboard, you know, the one you can pull out. It should be 3v. You'd have boot issues and bios issues with that, not stability issues, I believe. Weird reading but hwmonitor is weird, I wouldnt trust hwmonitor (which is what occt uses).

Okay well try more vcore, as valguar suggested. Could be a million things here, maybe just 24 hours of prime95 didn't catch instability. Which would be odd, but possible (you sure you didn't get any kernel-WHEA errors while testing prime95, and you made sure to use 80%+ ram usage in a custom blend, and made sure to check off sum input and rounding checking?).

If just a little more vcore fixed the issue with your games crashing that'd be pretty straightforward. Could be that some of your threads aren't stable, hence why when HT is off you are able to boot up the game.

I did not get any kernel errors, the test was ok. Maybe it's the game that doesn't like 4.6GHz smile.gif)
I'll try a bump in Vcore. Thank you.
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I did not get any kernel errors, the test was ok. Maybe it's the game that doesn't like 4.6GHz smile.gif)
I'll try a bump in Vcore. Thank you.

try .03 vcore bump up thumb.gif
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try .03 vcore bump up thumb.gif

I did... funny thing happened... one of the games that was "crashing" is now fixed and works ok, but the other still "crashes" randomly... I'm starting to think it's the games fault, it might not be able to run 4.6GHz normally.... I'm gonna do some more test, with different games and apps.
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I did... funny thing happened... one of the games that was "crashing" is now fixed and works ok, but the other still "crashes" randomly... I'm starting to think it's the games fault, it might not be able to run 4.6GHz normally.... I'm gonna do some more test, with different games and apps.

what game? and do you have your GPU OC'ed? if so that can do it as well.
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what game? and do you have your GPU OC'ed? if so that can do it as well.

The GPU is factory OCed. It's fifa 13 causing the problems, but now apparently so is f1 2012. I'm already at 1.392V and the crash is still here. I'll try some different games...
The same happened in Hitman Absolution... I went down to 4.5GHz and lower the voltage a little bit, now things seem to be fine... Maybe my system doesn't like 4.6. On my old i5-3570K I had issues with games when running at 4.3GHz but no problems when running at 4.4; the same for 4.5GHz (that made Far Cry 3 crash), but 4.6 did not... This makes me think that there could be something wrong with the mobo, or the cpu:memory ratio controller.
So I am now at 4.7GHz with 1.404V max and things seem to be ok... Btw, I am setting the voltage manually, using the Dynamic VID so I can let the CPU go into C-states and drop down vcore on its own.
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are you sure your gpu isn't faulty? factory overclock is just a very minor overclock, it means nothing, it's just how the gpu companies overcharge customers who dont realize it's meaningless (not to say people are dumb to buy them, i mean i bought a 'super overclocked' card but that was becuase at the time, it was cheaper than any other 460). however it does mean you are guaranteed to run at that overclock.

no games have any problem running 4.6ghz or any speed...if you are failing that means you either have faulty hardware or an unstable overclock. Im really surprised that 24 hours custom blend, with sum inputs and rounding checking, priority 10, and 80%+ ram tested, would be unstable in anything.

That you can play such games under different settings leads me to believe software is not the problem.
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are you sure your gpu isn't faulty? factory overclock is just a very minor overclock, it means nothing, it's just how the gpu companies overcharge customers who dont realize it's meaningless (not to say people are dumb to buy them, i mean i bought a 'super overclocked' card but that was becuase at the time, it was cheaper than any other 460). however it does mean you are guaranteed to run at that overclock.

no games have any problem running 4.6ghz or any speed...if you are failing that means you either have faulty hardware or an unstable overclock. Im really surprised that 24 hours custom blend, with sum inputs and rounding checking, priority 10, and 80%+ ram tested, would be unstable in anything.

That you can play such games under different settings leads me to believe software is not the problem.

The GPU works fine. Like I said, if I run 4.6GHz I get problems, but if I go for 4.7GHz everything is ok. The same if I go down to 4.5GGHz.
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That's not normal though. Something is faulty or unstable. Either you aren't truly stable at 4.6ghz (like I said, odd after 24 hours of prime95 but possible, could be something else like unstable at low load or something or maybe the psu voltage regulator), something is faulty, or software issues (which i dont think is the case if everything works fine at 4.7ghz).
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Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
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Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
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Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
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Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
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Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
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Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
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Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
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Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
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Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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