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WOW! Trinity is looking excellent for low end laptops, you CAN ACTUALLY RUN GAMES NOW! WHAAAAT!!!!!!! tongue.gif
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At high-end, trinity will probably a waste of money just like Llano is. Even for gaming, an Ivy (or Sandy) bridge laptop with discrete graphics will be better. Besides, crossfire drivers especially between an APU and GPU are very dodgy and should be avoided.
Ivy is as good as Llano in GPU performance. Intel drivers admittedly have problems, but Ivy Bridge's iGPU is far from terrible (as I said it's at the same level of performance as Llano) even Sandy's iGPU is decent.

I big to differ. I have gamed on Llano and it is superior then sandybridge in the sub 1000 dollars price range. and crossfire driver graphics show near 100% scaling in atleast wow and dues ex human revolution. 6750m (by itself alone) is superior then a geforce gt540m,550m, and 555m. and if you want a better laptop for gaming with an intel cpu+radeon or nvidia high end class gpu, then expect to be paying a huge amount of cash near equal to what a good desktop would cost you lol.

I'll take a better gpu/ gpu combination for price and performance with a decent cpu, then a good cpu from intel and crap graphics for the same competing price thanks.

amd has the better balanced system for price and performance smile.gif
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Ivy is as good as Llano in GPU performance. Intel drivers admittedly have problems, but Ivy Bridge's iGPU is far from terrible (as I said it's at the same level of performance as Llano) even Sandy's iGPU is decent.

I'm sorry but this is completely incorrect. Llano APU's completely trounce HD 4000 graphics, and Trinity is expected to be at least 50% better on the gpu.
 
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I'm sorry but this is completely incorrect. Llano APU's completely trounce HD 4000 graphics, and Trinity is expected to be at least 50% better on the gpu.

Only in desktop did it trounce HD 4000. When it came to mobile HD 4000 won more then it lost.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5772/mobile-ivy-bridge-and-asus-n56vm-preview/6
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Only in desktop did it trounce HD 4000. When it came to mobile HD 4000 won more then it lost.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5772/mobile-ivy-bridge-and-asus-n56vm-preview/6

The chart on that page actually shows the llano apu beating hd4000 more than losing, not sure where you're looking. And as quoted from the article:
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Granted, the A8-3500M/3520M aren't the fastest Llano parts, and the Llano systems we tested were both using DDR3-1333 memory. Give Llano an MX part and faster memory and performance should improve around 20% (5-10% for the RAM, and 10-15% for the CPU).


Not to mention we're comparing a last gen AMD part to a brand new (not even on the shelves yet) Intel part..... and the Intel part still loses....
 
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The chart on that page actually shows the llano apu beating hd4000 more than losing, not sure where you're looking. And as quoted from the article:
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Granted, the A8-3500M/3520M aren't the fastest Llano parts, and the Llano systems we tested were both using DDR3-1333 memory. Give Llano an MX part and faster memory and performance should improve around 20% (5-10% for the RAM, and 10-15% for the CPU).
Not to mention we're comparing a last gen AMD part to a brand new (not even on the shelves yet) Intel part..... and the Intel part still loses....

HD 4000 wins 8 out of the 15 titles which is technically more. They're very close, I was just pointing out that even though Llano kicks HD 4000 in desktop the HD 4000 comes very close and can win just as many as it loses in the mobile sector. I did miss that about it not being fastest mobile Llano and what memory its using and I know that goes a long way. I was merely pointing out in the Mobile section HD 4000 has come a long way and they're very close to Llano and can beat it, which was not the cast with SB. I am also looking forward to Trinity Benchmarks when they come out as well.
Edited by fantasyalive - 4/25/12 at 10:32pm
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as far as I can tell HD 4000 iGPU will only be featured in i7 based machines... as won't i5 based systems feature HD2500?

if this is the case then we have a more (theoretical) expensive machine winning 53% of the gaming benchmarks. I'm sure higher end Llano based laptops (that would allow for closer price parity) would tip the scales to favour Llano. Not bad for intel though in terms of integrated graphics they are only a generation behind or so.
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I'm sorry but this is completely incorrect. Llano APU's completely trounce HD 4000 graphics, and Trinity is expected to be at least 50% better on the gpu.

Intel and AMD both made huge strides this GPU generation (Intel 60%, AMD 50%), so Trinity is better, but HD 4000 is good. In any case, the new Ivy iGPUs are definitely not "crap," as you stated.

As for Llano and HD 4000, they are nearly equal on the laptop front:

Ivy%20Bridge%20HD%204000%20vs.%20Llano%20HD6620G%20Gaming.png
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I'll take a better gpu/ gpu combination for price and performance with a decent cpu, then a good cpu from intel and crap graphics for the same competing price thanks.
amd has the better balanced system for price and performance smile.gif

I'll quote the following for your benefit:

[Referring to APU+GPU crossfire] "The combination also suffers from micro stuttering (different spaces between two images lead to stuttering altough the framerate is high enough for fluent gaming with only one GPU). The performance of the Dual Graphics solution depends greatly on the driver support for the used games. In some games the performance may even degrade by 10-15% compared to using only the APU graphics card. "
- Notebook Review

As I said, asymmetric crossfire drivers are far from perfect. A SB (or Ivy) with a GT 560m will provide much better CPU performance, battery life, and very similar GPU performance if not better considering the microsttutering and minimum framerates of the APU+GPU combo.
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They already have. The existing APU's on the market crush intel in in-chip graphics. Intel does nothing to offer anything that the APU has. I have built two so far for customers, cause its cheap and plays games great for being integrated. Intel is the one that needs to bring something to compete. AMD is killing the IGP market right now.
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The chart on that page actually shows the llano apu beating hd4000 more than losing, not sure where you're looking. And as quoted from the article:
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Granted, the A8-3500M/3520M aren't the fastest Llano parts, and the Llano systems we tested were both using DDR3-1333 memory. Give Llano an MX part and faster memory and performance should improve around 20% (5-10% for the RAM, and 10-15% for the CPU).
Not to mention we're comparing a last gen AMD part to a brand new (not even on the shelves yet) Intel part..... and the Intel part still loses....
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HD 4000 wins 8 out of the 15 titles which is technically more. They're very close, I was just pointing out that even though Llano kicks HD 4000 in desktop the HD 4000 comes very close and can win just as many as it loses in the mobile sector. I did miss that about it not being fastest mobile Llano and what memory its using and I know that goes a long way. I was merely pointing out in the Mobile section HD 4000 has come a long way and they're very close to Llano and can beat it, which was not the cast with SB. I am also looking forward to Trinity Benchmarks when they come out as well.

From what I hear G3RG is right. Rumor is anything under 1600Mhz in memory will bottleneck the iGPU. In other words it can perform better, its just limited by other hardware in the machine. Intel's chip on the other hand im sure is running full speed out of the gate even with 1333Mhz memory. They both should be equipped with 1866Mhz memory and bench'd again. I'm waiting for Trinity personally, and plan on going 2133mhz memory if I do buy a FM2 platform.
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