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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post

^ Your planned setup has absolutely no VRM cooling on a 125W TDP processor, which is extremely unwise.

Now there's obviously something very wrong with your current config because you can get a much, much better one for the same price.
This is the way forward:
AMD Phenom II x4 955 C3 (OEM) - $100 shipped [Superbiiz]
ASRock 970 Extreme3 - $90 shipped [Superbiiz]
Samsung 2x2GB DDR3-1600 kit (30nm ICs) - $25.50 shipped [Superbiiz] (noting that a large majority of computer users will not use more than 4GB of RAM at this moment, which is why I'm scrapping extra RAM in favour of savings)
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Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB HDD - $70 shipped [NCIX]
Lancool PC K-58 - $40 shipped [Newegg] - best case deal available at the moment, I highly recommend as a previous owner!
HIS IceQ X Radeon HD 6870 - $165 + $7 shipping, $10 rebate [Newegg]

$20 off $200 coupon code - [Superbiiz]

Total cost: $497.50 shipped initial, $487.50 after rebates

More than $12 in initial savings for an offer that has:
  • Much better, safer motherboard (VRM cooling)
  • Better case
  • Much better GPU (the 6870 is a HUGE step up from a 6770)
People here clearly underestimate the power of a $500 budget.  Is anything else other than the above needed though? i.e. PSU?

^this but with this . . . ($110 after rebate)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995
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xd needed the superbiz $20 coupon to stay under the $500 budget, so the 960T is $30 more rather than $10.

Still a good build and suggestion though. Only suggestion other than my i3 build a few pages back that actually fit a 6870 within the $500 budget.
    
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xd needed the superbiz $20 coupon to stay under the $500 budget, so the 960T is $30 more rather than $10.
Still a good build and suggestion though. Only suggestion other than my i3 build a few pages back that actually fit a 6870 within the $500 budget.

I am very confused on the statements you are making. If I am wrong then I am willing to learn..

How is a CPU - i3-2100 Dual core which is lower on the benchmark scores better than an A8-3870K Quad Core?

Also how is a 6870 better than A8-3870K running Dual Graphics with a 6550D & 6670?

The setup I quoted him is running an SSD which will blow away your 500gb HDD

I am $20 bucks over budget and have all the latest and greatest.. If the OP waits for Trinity he can run an A10 which will give him another increase in CPU & GPU power.
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The setup I quoted him is running an SSD which will blow away your 500gb HDD

The only thing I may disagree with is this point. It all depends on how much space he will need. 120GB total for your entire PC is very small. The 500GB may be much slower, but at 4.5 times the size will allow a lot more data storage.

Again, this is dependent on what you do with your computer, but 120GB overall is very tiny. Usually an SSD of that size is a boot drive plus 2-3 games.
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The setup I quoted him is running an SSD which will blow away your 500gb HDD
The only thing I may disagree with is this point. It all depends on how much space he will need. 120GB total for your entire PC is very small. The 500GB may be much slower, but at 4.5 times the size will allow a lot more data storage.
Again, this is dependent on what you do with your computer, but 120GB overall is very tiny. Usually an SSD of that size is a boot drive plus 2-3 games.

I dont know very many people that dont buy a cheap HDD for storage. I have a 1.5tb external, 750gb usb 3.0 external, 1.5tb 7200rpm 64mb cache Internal, & 2 SSD drives.

One SSD runs my OS only, One SSD is for games only, and the rest is for movies, music and other projects.

If I were to build a $500 dollar PC only the setup I quoted will be wicked quick, boot in 30sec, and play most games out right now on medium settings. I am sincere when I ask why the I3 setup is better for $500 price.

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I dont know very many people that dont buy a cheap HDD for storage. I have a 1.5tb external, 750gb usb 3.0 external, 1.5tb 7200rpm 64mb cache Internal, & 2 SSD drives.

One SSD runs my OS only, One SSD is for games only, and the rest is for movies, music and other projects.

If I were to build a $500 dollar PC only the setup I quoted will be wicked quick, boot in 30sec, and play most games out right now on medium settings. I am sincere when I ask why the I3 setup is better for $500 price.

Thanks

I am going with the assumption he has no HD at all right now. If this is true, he'll need a master drive of probably 500GB minimum before he should consider an SSD. He won't be able to afford both within his budget. An SSD at this price point would be a luxury rather than a need.

As for you the i3 setup. I have no idea. I would recommend the A8 as well. My only contention with your build was the SSD with no HDD. thumb.gif
post #57 of 77
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^ Your planned setup has absolutely no VRM cooling on a 125W TDP processor, which is extremely unwise.

Now there's obviously something very wrong with your current config because you can get a much, much better one for the same price.
This is the way forward:
AMD Phenom II x4 955 C3 (OEM) - $100 shipped [Superbiiz]
ASRock 970 Extreme3 - $90 shipped [Superbiiz]
Samsung 2x2GB DDR3-1600 kit (30nm ICs) - $25.50 shipped [Superbiiz] (noting that a large majority of computer users will not use more than 4GB of RAM at this moment, which is why I'm scrapping extra RAM in favour of savings)
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus - $20 shipped [NCIX]
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB HDD - $70 shipped [NCIX]
Lancool PC K-58 - $40 shipped [Newegg] - best case deal available at the moment, I highly recommend as a previous owner!
HIS IceQ X Radeon HD 6870 - $165 + $7 shipping, $10 rebate [Newegg]

$20 off $200 coupon code - [Superbiiz]

Total cost: $497.50 shipped initial, $487.50 after rebates

More than $12 in initial savings for an offer that has:
  • Much better, safer motherboard (VRM cooling)
  • Better case
  • Much better GPU (the 6870 is a HUGE step up from a 6770)
People here clearly underestimate the power of a $500 budget.  Is anything else other than the above needed though? i.e. PSU?

This is best you could get for your budget. And it's actually damn good lol! But change ram to 8gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 cost slightly more, but it's worth it!
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post #58 of 77
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How is a CPU - i3-2100 Dual core which is lower on the benchmark scores better than an A8-3870K Quad Core?
Also how is a 6870 better than A8-3870K running Dual Graphics with a 6550D & 6670?

Uh I dunno what benchmarks you've been looking at. But for games, the i3 consistently beats an a8 when it has a discrete GPU (check basically any of the a8-3870k reviews that compare the two without forcing the i3 to use its integrated graphics).
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
This can be seen more easily in the more commonly reviewed a8-3850, such as here:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/44338-amd-a8-3850-apu-review-llano-hits-desktop-18.html
and here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/3
and here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=289
for the a8-3870k itself, still very similar to the a8-3850:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/50952-amd-a8-3870k-unlocked-llano-apu-review-13.html

vs the integrated performance comparisons (which are not applicable to our builds) like here (perhaps what you were thinking of?):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2975-14.html

And the 6870 is a much more powerful card than a dual-crossfire G660D & 6670, which gets about the performance of a 6770, including an overclock of the a8's integrated graphics. See here for apu-crossfire equalling a 6770 for graphics performance:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a8-3870k_7.html#sect0
Note in particular two trends. The BF3, Crysis 2, and Alien vs Predator benchmarks show the apu-crossfire equal to a 6770 system in graphics limited games. But in CPU-limited games like StarCraft 2 and Batman: Arkham City, the Intel chips clearly beat the a8 even with less graphics power.

See here for a 6870 being MUCH better than a 6770:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/538?vs=540

So for games that's a better CPU & GPU = better.

Yes the i3 is a dual-core, but it has hyperthreading, which helps significantly in games that can use 4 threads, which is seen in various benchmarks, such as the identical performance of the g850 & i3 in dual-threaded games but superior performance of the i3 in 4-threaded games. And while the a8 is quad-core, its instructions per clock (IPC) is inferior to the i3.

Now all that is just for gaming. For video editing/encoding, the a8 beats the i3. For casual use, your configuration beats mine (the SSD you mentioned). For high quality gaming graphics & frame rate, my configuration beats yours. And Trinity isn't out yet, I expect it'll be pretty nice when it comes out... but I highly doubt it'll reach the performance of a 6870 even crossfired.
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post #59 of 77
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Originally Posted by insyxion View Post

This is best you could get for your budget. And it's actually damn good lol! But change ram to 8gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 cost slightly more, but it's worth it!

8gb is completely unnecessary especially with his budget. xd_1771 has a nice build but would be over budget after adding a psu, but he could just go with a cheaper video card and fit it in. One thing OP stated was he did want to overclock and the i3 can't do that and apu's aren't great at it. He did say also he wanted to buy from Newegg but I was wondering if he lived close to a Microcenter?
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Originally Posted by Bubba Hotepp View Post

Wrong, I'm clocked at 4.5 and I'm beating the 1055T in most benchmarks.

let's put it up against mah Zosma tongue.gif
Umm..IMO ..a Zosma is a solid notch or two better than a Deneb CPU.
Edited by Schmuckley - 4/26/12 at 9:10am
 
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