Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [BT] Intel makes a grab for Cray
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[BT] Intel makes a grab for Cray - Page 3

post #21 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

Too funny. Intel is scared of AMD, and their acquisition of SeaMicro. They see the writing on the wall as far as server farms go. Well, if you can't continue to beat them, just buy them out. Just another instance of Intel trying to monopolize the market. I hope they fail.

Can't beat them? Intel is destroying AMD, largely because AMD can't execute. Nvidia and ARM poses a much larger threat to Intel when it comes to High Performance Computing.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon L5640 Asus X58 Sabertooth MSI 560Ti 448 Twin Frozr III PE Samsung Green Power LP DDR3 1600  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Western Digital Velociraptor Samsung F1 1TB Corsair H70 CPU Cooling 3xCougar CF-V14H 140mm Case Fans 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
3x Cougar CF-V12H 120mm Case Fans Dell S2440M 21.5" 1080P  Rosewill Mechanical RK-9000BRI Corsair HX750 
CaseMouse
Xigmatek Asgard Logitech M570 Trackball 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon L5640 Asus X58 Sabertooth MSI 560Ti 448 Twin Frozr III PE Samsung Green Power LP DDR3 1600  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Western Digital Velociraptor Samsung F1 1TB Corsair H70 CPU Cooling 3xCougar CF-V14H 140mm Case Fans 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
3x Cougar CF-V12H 120mm Case Fans Dell S2440M 21.5" 1080P  Rosewill Mechanical RK-9000BRI Corsair HX750 
CaseMouse
Xigmatek Asgard Logitech M570 Trackball 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 30
@Redwoodz

Why would you want Intel to be held back? It would make more sense for you to want AMD to actually IMPROVE.

I'll say it like this, would you punish someone simply because they are winning? or try and encourage and train the people who are losing so that they can improve? The smart answer is quite obviously that you want the loser to improve their game so that they can be competitive and increase the quality of the products and make the market more competitive. Thus, in turn, improving technology for EVERYONE.

In the desktop space, Intel are the only company doing anything good for consumers. AMD are well behind and we wont be seeing anything amazing from them for a few years at least. Intel is the number 1 at the moment for a reason. Quite simply put, they make better products. Not just better by a little bit, but better by a huge margin. Thus, why would you want the only innovator in the desktop market to be held back? Its moronic. We should be pushing AMD to get their ass into gear and actually give us some decent chips and architectures.

AMD are doing well with APU's and GPU's. Most of which is thanks to the acquisition of ATI. But AMD's CPU's are plainly and simply crap compared to what Intel has available. It really is that simple.

So we should be encouraging AMD to lift their game, not hoping the Intel gets held back. Put aside brand allegiances for a moment and actually use your brain. We need Intel to keep doing what they are doing because god knows that AMD suck so hard they won't be giving us anything of value any time soon. They can't even keep a CEO for more than 6 months let alone deliver decent products in a timely manner.
Current Rig
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k MSI Z77A-GD65 Sapphire RX 480 Nitro+ OC G.Skill Ripjaw X 2133MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
OCZ Vertex 2 Antec Kuhler 620 Windows 10 Silverstone ST1200 
Case
Corsair 200R 
  hide details  
Reply
Current Rig
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k MSI Z77A-GD65 Sapphire RX 480 Nitro+ OC G.Skill Ripjaw X 2133MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
OCZ Vertex 2 Antec Kuhler 620 Windows 10 Silverstone ST1200 
Case
Corsair 200R 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanresourceful View Post

Why would you ever want a company to fail? That reduced competition.

i think he means he hopes intel will fail in their attempt at controlling the market
post #24 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSprunk View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

Too funny. Intel is scared of AMD, and their acquisition of SeaMicro. They see the writing on the wall as far as server farms go. Well, if you can't continue to beat them, just buy them out. Just another instance of Intel trying to monopolize the market. I hope they fail.

Can't beat them? Intel is destroying AMD, largely because AMD can't execute. Nvidia and ARM poses a much larger threat to Intel when it comes to High Performance Computing.

Not really. It would take 400 ARM Cortex A9 cores to match a 7970's compute and this doesn't take into account the latency involved in connecting so many nodes.

ARM has no place in HPC unless someone seriously develops a potent chip around that architecture. The problem is that AMD, IBM, and Intel have already invested billions into making their processors fast.
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vengeance47 View Post

@Redwoodz
Why would you want Intel to be held back? It would make more sense for you to want AMD to actually IMPROVE.
I'll say it like this, would you punish someone simply because they are winning? or try and encourage and train the people who are losing so that they can improve? The smart answer is quite obviously that you want the loser to improve their game so that they can be competitive and increase the quality of the products and make the market more competitive. Thus, in turn, improving technology for EVERYONE.
In the desktop space, Intel are the only company doing anything good for consumers. AMD are well behind and we wont be seeing anything amazing from them for a few years at least. Intel is the number 1 at the moment for a reason. Quite simply put, they make better products. Not just better by a little bit, but better by a huge margin. Thus, why would you want the only innovator in the desktop market to be held back? Its moronic. We should be pushing AMD to get their ass into gear and actually give us some decent chips and architectures.
AMD are doing well with APU's and GPU's. Most of which is thanks to the acquisition of ATI. But AMD's CPU's are plainly and simply crap compared to what Intel has available. It really is that simple.
So we should be encouraging AMD to lift their game, not hoping the Intel gets held back. Put aside brand allegiances for a moment and actually use your brain. We need Intel to keep doing what they are doing because god knows that AMD suck so hard they won't be giving us anything of value any time soon. They can't even keep a CEO for more than 6 months let alone deliver decent products in a timely manner.

Pretty ignorant assumptions there.

The high end desktop market isn't even 5% of the PC market share. The sole reason they make CPU's for overclockers is because of bragging rights, they make money with their server and their low to mid-range products. AMD are set to release some excellent APU's and that's all that matters, as those APU's will be used in offices to laptops. Intel are making low power mobile CPU's and they have also released their 4000HD GPU's, which is a big forward for them.

And as for AMD's CPU's being crap, why don't you prove this 'crap' point? I would like to see proof that in the markets where it really matters AMD are crap.
The girlfriend.
(15 items)
 
The Mistress
(13 items)
 
Media Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX8320 @ 4.5 Crosshair V (Third One) 290 Tri-X OC 16GB HyperX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Sandisk SSD Plus 240GB Toshiba 3TB Hitachi 2TB Swiftech H220-X 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 8.1/Mint Viewsonic VX2457-mhd Fuhlen L411 Slim Super Flower Golden King 650W 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Enthoo Pro G400 Super Flower 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A8-6410 Lenovo Lancer 4B2 K16.3 R5 128 Shaders/M230 Hynix 8GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Samsung 840 120 GB SSD Seagate Momentus 1TB 5400rmp Win 8.1 CMN1487 TN LED 14" 1366*768 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Lenovo AccuType 2900mAh/41Wh Elan Trackpad/Logitech M90 Super Flower 
Audio
AMD Avalon(Connexant) 
  hide details  
Reply
The girlfriend.
(15 items)
 
The Mistress
(13 items)
 
Media Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX8320 @ 4.5 Crosshair V (Third One) 290 Tri-X OC 16GB HyperX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Sandisk SSD Plus 240GB Toshiba 3TB Hitachi 2TB Swiftech H220-X 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 8.1/Mint Viewsonic VX2457-mhd Fuhlen L411 Slim Super Flower Golden King 650W 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Enthoo Pro G400 Super Flower 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A8-6410 Lenovo Lancer 4B2 K16.3 R5 128 Shaders/M230 Hynix 8GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Samsung 840 120 GB SSD Seagate Momentus 1TB 5400rmp Win 8.1 CMN1487 TN LED 14" 1366*768 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Lenovo AccuType 2900mAh/41Wh Elan Trackpad/Logitech M90 Super Flower 
Audio
AMD Avalon(Connexant) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vengeance47 View Post

@Redwoodz
Why would you want Intel to be held back? It would make more sense for you to want AMD to actually IMPROVE.
I'll say it like this, would you punish someone simply because they are winning? or try and encourage and train the people who are losing so that they can improve? The smart answer is quite obviously that you want the loser to improve their game so that they can be competitive and increase the quality of the products and make the market more competitive. Thus, in turn, improving technology for EVERYONE.
In the desktop space, Intel are the only company doing anything good for consumers. AMD are well behind and we wont be seeing anything amazing from them for a few years at least. Intel is the number 1 at the moment for a reason. Quite simply put, they make better products. Not just better by a little bit, but better by a huge margin. Thus, why would you want the only innovator in the desktop market to be held back? Its moronic. We should be pushing AMD to get their ass into gear and actually give us some decent chips and architectures.
AMD are doing well with APU's and GPU's. Most of which is thanks to the acquisition of ATI. But AMD's CPU's are plainly and simply crap compared to what Intel has available. It really is that simple.
So we should be encouraging AMD to lift their game, not hoping the Intel gets held back. Put aside brand allegiances for a moment and actually use your brain. We need Intel to keep doing what they are doing because god knows that AMD suck so hard they won't be giving us anything of value any time soon. They can't even keep a CEO for more than 6 months let alone deliver decent products in a timely manner.

Harrison Bergeron

Intel is beautiful, we must not hold them back. I agree AMD needs to step it up. I think they've got all the right cards and the right engineering teams, they just need better leadership with a clear vision and path to success plotted out.
Nexus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1055t EO @3780mhz 1.38v Biostar TA890GXE Asus DirectCu TOP GTX 460 1gb 8gb G. Skill ripjaws 1600mhz @ 8-9-8-23 1.5v 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Caviar Blue 500gb, Corsair F40 40gb SSD boot... Windows 7 x64 SP1 SeaSonic Breeze 520w Rosewill Challenger Black 
  hide details  
Reply
Nexus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1055t EO @3780mhz 1.38v Biostar TA890GXE Asus DirectCu TOP GTX 460 1gb 8gb G. Skill ripjaws 1600mhz @ 8-9-8-23 1.5v 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Caviar Blue 500gb, Corsair F40 40gb SSD boot... Windows 7 x64 SP1 SeaSonic Breeze 520w Rosewill Challenger Black 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vengeance47 View Post

@Redwoodz
Why would you want Intel to be held back? It would make more sense for you to want AMD to actually IMPROVE.
I'll say it like this, would you punish someone simply because they are winning? or try and encourage and train the people who are losing so that they can improve? The smart answer is quite obviously that you want the loser to improve their game so that they can be competitive and increase the quality of the products and make the market more competitive. Thus, in turn, improving technology for EVERYONE.
In the desktop space, Intel are the only company doing anything good for consumers. AMD are well behind and we wont be seeing anything amazing from them for a few years at least. Intel is the number 1 at the moment for a reason. Quite simply put, they make better products. Not just better by a little bit, but better by a huge margin. Thus, why would you want the only innovator in the desktop market to be held back? Its moronic. We should be pushing AMD to get their ass into gear and actually give us some decent chips and architectures.
AMD are doing well with APU's and GPU's. Most of which is thanks to the acquisition of ATI. But AMD's CPU's are plainly and simply crap compared to what Intel has available. It really is that simple.
So we should be encouraging AMD to lift their game, not hoping the Intel gets held back. Put aside brand allegiances for a moment and actually use your brain. We need Intel to keep doing what they are doing because god knows that AMD suck so hard they won't be giving us anything of value any time soon. They can't even keep a CEO for more than 6 months let alone deliver decent products in a timely manner.

Intel Market Cap: 141.32B
AMD Market Cap: 5.19B

Intel is roughly 25x the size of AMD. Its not that AMD needs to "be encouraged" or "try harder". They just don't have the resources to compete with the juggernaught that is Intel.

If Intel has a product flop (as redwoodz wishes), AMD would assumingly have better sales which would give them more revenue to put into R&D. Its a worn-out example but without AMD pushing intel, we'd be looking at 6GHz Single Core P4's instead of the multi-core reality we live in. Intel only innovates when it has to, or when it wants to push its own standard.
Edited by SyncMaster753 - 4/26/12 at 7:58pm
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 960 4.1ghz HT on Gigabyte X58A-UD7 ASUS 6970 DCII (975/1498 1.2V) 4x4GB G.skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 480GB + 2tb WD Passport Samsung 20x DVD-RW Corsair H100i Win10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell u2711 G15 (v2) corsair AX850 Fractal R5 
MouseMouse PadAudio
G5 dota custom asus xonar essence stx 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 960 4.1ghz HT on Gigabyte X58A-UD7 ASUS 6970 DCII (975/1498 1.2V) 4x4GB G.skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 480GB + 2tb WD Passport Samsung 20x DVD-RW Corsair H100i Win10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell u2711 G15 (v2) corsair AX850 Fractal R5 
MouseMouse PadAudio
G5 dota custom asus xonar essence stx 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Toilet View Post

That ish Cray.

Totally beat me to it man.
post #29 of 30
o'cray.. Good for them.
Oxygène
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 5 1600 Asus Prime B350 Plus VTX3D R9 390 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston Hyper X Kingston HyperX Fury ADATA SP550 ADATA SX8000 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Stock Windows 10 Dell U2711 Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Chieftec A-135 Series 1000W NZXT. Phantom 410 Razer DeathAdder Razer Goliathus Speed Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
Oxygène
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 5 1600 Asus Prime B350 Plus VTX3D R9 390 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston Hyper X Kingston HyperX Fury ADATA SP550 ADATA SX8000 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Stock Windows 10 Dell U2711 Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Chieftec A-135 Series 1000W NZXT. Phantom 410 Razer DeathAdder Razer Goliathus Speed Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 30
So.....

AMD buys SeaMicro out from under Intel....

Intel buys Cray Interconnect technologies to compete.......

Cray switches to AMD's SeaMicro Interconnect?

That will be a funny coincidence if it comes to pass.....
Goliath
(13 items)
 
fBSD
(10 items)
 
pfSense Box
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770 Gigabyte z87x-ud3h Intel HD4600 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 Pioneer Blu-ray Burner Swiftech Polaris Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Korean 1440p WASD 104 key v2 - mx Blue switches Corsair HX-650 v2 Lian Li pc-a05n 
Mouse
Logitech G600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700k Asus z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Gt 610 8 Gb Samsung Magic Memory 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
WD Green WD Green FreeBSD 10 OCZ ModXtreme Pro 500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Celeron G1620 Asus z68 Deluxe 9500 GT Corsair Value Ram 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
OCZ Agility SSD pfSense / FreeBSD SSH via LAN Antec 520w Gamer 
OtherOtherOther
Intel PCIe Dual Gigabit LAN card. D-Link Gigabit 8 port Switch Apple Airport Extreme N - for wireless access. 
  hide details  
Reply
Goliath
(13 items)
 
fBSD
(10 items)
 
pfSense Box
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770 Gigabyte z87x-ud3h Intel HD4600 G.Skill Ripjaws X 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial M500 Pioneer Blu-ray Burner Swiftech Polaris Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Korean 1440p WASD 104 key v2 - mx Blue switches Corsair HX-650 v2 Lian Li pc-a05n 
Mouse
Logitech G600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700k Asus z68 Deluxe Gen 3 Gt 610 8 Gb Samsung Magic Memory 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
WD Green WD Green FreeBSD 10 OCZ ModXtreme Pro 500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Celeron G1620 Asus z68 Deluxe 9500 GT Corsair Value Ram 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
OCZ Agility SSD pfSense / FreeBSD SSH via LAN Antec 520w Gamer 
OtherOtherOther
Intel PCIe Dual Gigabit LAN card. D-Link Gigabit 8 port Switch Apple Airport Extreme N - for wireless access. 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [BT] Intel makes a grab for Cray