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Hello! Im new to the board and i'm planing to do my first build and i wanted to ask some pro's for advice. Will be used for a lot of gaming, photoshop (digital painting), and some CAD.
Also want to OC a little, not too much.
May go SLI in the near future.

CPU: i7 3770k
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14
MB: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO
GPU: EVGA GTX 680 SC
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP blue, 4x4GB, DDR3-1600, CL9@1.5V
SSD: Samsung SSD 830Series D-Kit, MLC, 128GB, SATA-3, 2.5 Zoll
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black, 7200rpm, 64MB, 1TB, SATA-3
PSU: Seasonic X-760 (SS-760KM) Gold
Case: Corsair Obisidian 650D

LG bluray/dvd burner
Cardreader (maybe)

Since the fans of the 650D seem to be bad and noisy, i plan on replacing them:

Top exhaust: Coolermaster MegaFlow 200 (blue LED) 200mm
Front intake: Coolermaster MegaFlow 200 (blue LED) 200mm
Back exhaust: Noiseblocker BlackSilent Pro Fan PLPS, 120mm

The Coolermaster Fans have 30mm depth, so i believe i will have to take off the HDD cases of 650D and place one to the left near the Powersupply, wich is possible without any modding as far as i understood right?

What do you think? Should work out fine i think.. (hope) biggrin.gif

Im thankful for every input i get!
Edited by checka3000 - 4/25/12 at 1:20pm
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first off, welcome to the OCN forums!

i think your build is ok. i think the mainboard youve chosen will do a good job for what youre planning to do. I have two suggestions for you though:

1. you may want to consider a different RAM kit. While the vengeance ram kits are quite popular, they do not overclock very well. I had a kit myself and I ended up returning it because it would not run ANY faster than rated spec and would not let me tighten any of the timings. Also, since z77 + Ivy Bridge supports RAM OC'ing well beyond 2133MHz, you may look into a fun GSkill kit that is rated a little faster that you may be able to overclock a little if needed.

2. all the initial evidence is showing the IB processors to be running pretty hot. If you plan to do any OC'ing, even mild Oc'ing, you may want to look into a self-contained water cooling solution like the corsair H100. plus, these collers will fit nicely into the case you have chosen.

Everything else looks really nice. I think youll be really happy with the gtx 680 superclocked card. Ive got one myself and it's performing really well. It also has headroom for additional overclocking.

Good luck on the build my friend! And as always, ask if you have any other questions! thumb.gif
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IDK about your fan thickness question, but two things:
--When it comes to CAD stick with NVIDIA regardless of what suggestions you may get - you won't regret it. Better driver support and stability is the biggest reason in my mind.
--It's not "outtake" it's "exhaust" just FYI

Other than that, seems like a pretty solid build. Hope you enjoy it - and don't rush through the build, cable it up nicely and make it look good.
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The build is pretty good. Maybe you can shave some dollars off here and there, but not enough to worry about.

I disagree with michaelrw on both of his recommendations.

For #1 - Intel's processor lineup doesn't benefit much from memory faster than 1600mhz. So buying better memory will not benefit you compared to the cost. Also, it will probably be a pain if you're not already comfortable with memory overclocking - no reason to go to the trouble. On the other hand, if another low profile memory kit is cheaper, like g.skill ares or something like that, *shrug* it's a small change. Long story short, michaelrw's advice is good if you overclock for fun, but not if you just want to setup a decent rig and get to using software. A side note: 16GB seems like way more than you could use. Unless you're aware that you'll need a heavy amount of ram for some sort of CAD program, 8GB is nicely overkill for most people already.

For #2 - Ivy Bridge processors don't actually produce a lot of heat when overclocked. The problem is locally high temperatures due to the physical core size being so small. So the overall heat dissipation of the cooler you use means pretty much nothing - the only real importance is the speed of the transfer from the CPU to the heatsink/water block. As far as I know, this won't change much between the cooling types. Your cooler is one of the top-end air coolers, so you're more than ok there. Also, the Noctua will be much quieter. If you want a touch quieter than Noctua, you could consider a Thermalright HR-02 Macho or Thermalright Silver Arrow.

I would make two three suggestions:

1) Save money by getting a lower-cost mobo. You're not going to lose any performance by doing so, unless you planned on connecting more than 6 data drives. Something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645
or the equivalent asrock board at the same price will be just as good as the mobo you have selected now for $70-80 less.

2) You might consider the Corsair 550D case instead of the 650D. If you're concerned about noise, the 550D is a quiet-designed case. It'll certainly be quieter than the 650D and can also be easily configured for more cooling performance if you decide you need airflow oomph. It's also a newer design that's very highly reviewed. In addition to likely being better than the 650D for your purposes, it's also cheaper for some odd reason.

3) You only need a blu-ray burner if you regularly watch blu-rays from your computer. No reason to get one unless your CPU will be your primary blu-ray player. A DVD-burner will cost about $20. Your call, there.
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if i guessed it right the build is in the 1500$and if its near or around 2000$ then buddy you could get 2x7950 or 7970 in that budget pls tell us your budget so that we can suggest you a few more thinks and lastly are you open to ATi cards bcoz i think going with a 7970 or 7950 CF would be a better option rolleyes.gif

here is my 2 mins pick for 1500$
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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Memory Express)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($379.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($379.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Total (before mail-in rebates): $1513.90
Mail-in Rebates: $-65.00
Total: $1448.90

Hope you like it smile.gif
Edited by Tarun - 4/25/12 at 12:45pm
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A side note: 16GB seems like way more than you could use. Unless you're aware that you'll need a heavy amount of ram for some sort of CAD program, 8GB is nicely overkill for most people already.
He stated there'd be some CAD work in the OP. 16GB becomes the standard you'd want then. I can nearly max the 12GB in my sig rig (Avenger) if I'm doing heavy modeling, or medium aerodynamics/FEA on even a single complex-compound shape at decent resolution. 8GB isn't overkill as much under Win 7 SP1 and it's a smart enough OS that if you give it more RAM to use, it will use more RAM (that wasn't circular). In a computer with 24GB of RAM it idles on almost 2GB, with 8GB of RAM it idles about 1GB. With 2GB of RAM I've seen it idle as low as 600MB - Win 7 SP1 scales to fit the amount of RAM you have. 16GB is the new 8GB - the average person still doesn't need it, but for performance it definitely helps.
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if i guessed it right the build is in the 1500$and if its near or around 2000$ then buddy you could get 2x7950 or 7970 in that budget pls tell us your budget so that we can suggest you a few more thinks and lastly are you open to ATi cards bcoz i think going with a 7970 or 7950 CF would be a better option rolleyes.gif
Ahhh.... welcome to the thread. There's always somebody recommending ATI cards in every thread that uses NVIDIA; admittedly, the opposite is also usually true. CAD work is more stable on NVIDIA cards, and doesn't benefit greatly from SLI let alone Crossfire. Gaming? Sure, have fun with ATI - when it comes to getting work done I never buy/recommend/use anything but NVIDIA.
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Looks pretty good to me, except i would change the ram to another brand as Samsung or G.Skill. Also you may want to take a look at Samsung spinpoint F3 instead of caviar black. Other than that it is a beast.
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Originally Posted by michaelrw View Post

you may want to look into a self-contained water cooling solution like the corsair H100. plus, these collers will fit nicely into the case you have chosen.
Everything else looks really nice. I think youll be really happy with the gtx 680 superclocked card. Ive got one myself and it's performing really well. It also has headroom for additional overclocking.
Good luck on the build my friend! And as always, ask if you have any other questions! thumb.gif

Thanks! Yes i have thought about getting the h100 but after reading that so many owners have trouble with it making weird noises and other problems i thought i'd go with noctua because it seems it's just loved by everyone.
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IDK about your fan thickness question, but two things:
--When it comes to CAD stick with NVIDIA regardless of what suggestions you may get - you won't regret it. Better driver support and stability is the biggest reason in my mind.
--It's not "outtake" it's "exhaust" just FYI
Other than that, seems like a pretty solid build. Hope you enjoy it - and don't rush through the build, cable it up nicely and make it look good.

YES EXHAUST not outtake... biggrin.gif thanks!
Yes i want a nvidia card, always had nvidia and was never disapointed by it.
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The build is pretty good. Maybe you can shave some dollars off here and there, but not enough to worry about.
I disagree with michaelrw on both of his recommendations.
For #1 - Intel's processor lineup doesn't benefit much from memory faster than 1600mhz. So buying better memory will not benefit you compared to the cost. Also, it will probably be a pain if you're not already comfortable with memory overclocking - no reason to go to the trouble. On the other hand, if another low profile memory kit is cheaper, like g.skill ares or something like that, *shrug* it's a small change. Long story short, michaelrw's advice is good if you overclock for fun, but not if you just want to setup a decent rig and get to using software. A side note: 16GB seems like way more than you could use. Unless you're aware that you'll need a heavy amount of ram for some sort of CAD program, 8GB is nicely overkill for most people already.
For #2 - Ivy Bridge processors don't actually produce a lot of heat when overclocked. The problem is locally high temperatures due to the physical core size being so small. So the overall heat dissipation of the cooler you use means pretty much nothing - the only real importance is the speed of the transfer from the CPU to the heatsink/water block. As far as I know, this won't change much between the cooling types. Your cooler is one of the top-end air coolers, so you're more than ok there. Also, the Noctua will be much quieter. If you want a touch quieter than Noctua, you could consider a Thermalright HR-02 Macho or Thermalright Silver Arrow.
I would make two three suggestions:
1) Save money by getting a lower-cost mobo. You're not going to lose any performance by doing so, unless you planned on connecting more than 6 data drives. Something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645
or the equivalent asrock board at the same price will be just as good as the mobo you have selected now for $70-80 less.
2) You might consider the Corsair 550D case instead of the 650D. If you're concerned about noise, the 550D is a quiet-designed case. It'll certainly be quieter than the 650D and can also be easily configured for more cooling performance if you decide you need airflow oomph. It's also a newer design that's very highly reviewed. In addition to likely being better than the 650D for your purposes, it's also cheaper for some odd reason.
3) You only need a blu-ray burner if you regularly watch blu-rays from your computer. No reason to get one unless your CPU will be your primary blu-ray player. A DVD-burner will cost about $20. Your call, there.

Thanks for the good advice! I want to stick with 16GB of ram because i use CAD software and photoshop quite often. I will inform myself a little about the 550D, but i still think the 650D will be the chosen one, its big and it's cool.
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if i guessed it right the build is in the 1500$and if its near or around 2000$ then buddy you could get 2x7950 or 7970 in that budget pls tell us your budget so that we can suggest you a few more thinks and lastly are you open to ATi cards bcoz i think going with a 7970 or 7950 CF would be a better option rolleyes.gif
here is my 2 mins pick for 1500$
Part list permalink
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Memory Express)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($379.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($379.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Total (before mail-in rebates): $1513.90
Mail-in Rebates: $-65.00
Total: $1448.90
Hope you like it smile.gif

Im in switzerland and the prices here are high. My build will cost about 2200 swiss francs thats about the same thing in dollars... (2200$)..
Yes i want the GTX 680 that's for sure..
Edited by checka3000 - 4/25/12 at 1:11pm
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Looks pretty good to me, except i would change the ram to another brand as Samsung or G.Skill. Also you may want to take a look at Samsung spinpoint F3 instead of caviar black. Other than that it is a beast.

Ok i will look for other rams and check out the samsung. Thanks!
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What about this: Kingston Technology HyperX DDR3 1866MHz 16GB? are they a better choice than the corsairs? they are 1.65v would this be a problem?
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