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http://www.google.com/patents/US7009289?printsec=description#v=onepage&q&f=false

do you guys want intels own view of this subject?read this link!it is old but shed a lot of light on lot of question we have on this!basicly if i resume!they are searching for an alternate cost effective method!and the solder method is gold tin!so as long as the solder can be melted at lower point then those two and the material has better cooling property your good!
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Ivy bridge is just a test platform for 22nm, Haswell is the next big thing.
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mm!i think intel will SHOW OFF cooling solution at the gen 3 extreme lunch!
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I don't hate Intel btw. I just find this to be pretty ironic and I live for irony. cheers.gif

Ivy's still a step forward. Bulldozer was a side step.

Only in performance, though. Bulldozer is a bigger step forward than IB overall. (IB is trigate and 22nm, BD is an entirely new architecture and large-die 32nm production for AMD)
    
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I don't hate Intel btw. I just find this to be pretty ironic and I live for irony. cheers.gif

Ivy's still a step forward. Bulldozer was a side step.

Only in performance, though. Bulldozer is a bigger step forward than IB overall. (IB is trigate and 22nm, BD is an entirely new architecture and large-die 32nm production for AMD)

Agreed. I think BD will come into its own as software catches up. I know that it's a seriously BADA55 piece of hardware for Rendering. My client keeps calling me with updates about how much her new system is impressing her. She's not the kind to just plunk down $1400 with confidence about the decision. She'd second guess breathing if it weren't a necessary natural occurance too put not to much a fine point on it. A few times during the spec process she was considering buying some cheap unupgradable pos shelf unit. I told her if that's what she wanted we could do that too. She's glad she stuck with it now I know that much. thumb.gif

BD may not be better than Sandy or Ivy on a clock to clock basis but it just wrecks #$(7 in rendering projects. kungfu.gif

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BD may not be better than Sandy or Ivy on a clock to clock basis but it just wrecks #$(7 in rendering projects. kungfu.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Which is why I called BD a sidestep. It does certain things better at the cost of other things. Ivy Bridge on the other hand is an improvement on all fronts, with the exception of air and water cooled overclocking.

You'll probably see more disappointing launches from both companies as time goes on. Physics is really starting to rear its ugly head.
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Which is why I called BD a sidestep. It does certain things better at the cost of other things. Ivy Bridge on the other hand is an improvement on all fronts, with the exception of air and water cooled overclocking.
You'll probably see more disappointing launches from both companies as time goes on. Physics is really starting to rear its ugly head.

It's a side step only in performance, as are most new architectures usually. When the 386 came out it was merely running as a faster 8086 and the first chips weren't clocked high enough to beat out the average 286. Same thing with the 486. Most people would have the choice between a 386DX-40 or a 486SX-33 or DX-25 with half the RAM.
    
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BD may not be better than Sandy or Ivy on a clock to clock basis but it just wrecks #$(7 in rendering projects. kungfu.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Which is why I called BD a sidestep. It does certain things better at the cost of other things. Ivy Bridge on the other hand is an improvement on all fronts, with the exception of air and water cooled overclocking.

You'll probably see more disappointing launches from both companies as time goes on. Physics is really starting to rear its ugly head.

True on all counts but I bet we start seeing more server CPUs' being turned into Desktop CPU in the not too distant future. Kinda like the way military application trickles down to the civilian market, server market will trickle into enthusiast market on Enthusiast boards with better architecture behind it. Considering that we're on the brink of even tighter scaling Mainboard Companies will be able to implement tighter lanes and pack more onto a board than ever before. smile.gif

Personally I cannot wait. BD and IB are just lessons in tempering one's own expectations imho. thumb.gif

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If you never ran an all in one cooler, you just don't know. Having run the H50 pretty much the whole first year I owned my current build I can say that it gave me slightly better temps than the CM Hyper 212+ I ended up on while I was putting this loop together. Not at idle but at Load. I Fold and my CPU is a 24/7 Folder. While I believe that CM 212+ is an awesome cooler it ran 44c, while my H50 with Push/Pull ran ~42c @ Load. I spent a little less on the H50 new than it would have cost for Megahelms or Noctua DH-14 which are better Coolers IMHO. But now that prices are coming down to a more reasonable level it's convoluted the performance/price margin imho. smile.gif
All in one Coolers have their place too. wink.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

I'm not speaking from ignorance. I have a Kuhler 620 because I wanted to see what it was about. It was twice as much as my 212+ and not any better. I wish I had bought a Thermalright True Spirit 140 or HR-02 Macho instead for the same price.
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If you never ran an all in one cooler, you just don't know. Having run the H50 pretty much the whole first year I owned my current build I can say that it gave me slightly better temps than the CM Hyper 212+ I ended up on while I was putting this loop together. Not at idle but at Load. I Fold and my CPU is a 24/7 Folder. While I believe that CM 212+ is an awesome cooler it ran 44c, while my H50 with Push/Pull ran ~42c @ Load. I spent a little less on the H50 new than it would have cost for Megahelms or Noctua DH-14 which are better Coolers IMHO. But now that prices are coming down to a more reasonable level it's convoluted the performance/price margin imho. smile.gif
All in one Coolers have their place too. wink.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

I'm not speaking from ignorance. I have a Kuhler 620 because I wanted to see what it was about. It was twice as much as my 212+ and not any better. I wish I had bought a Thermalright True Spirit 140 or HR-02 Macho instead for the same price.

Nothing personal but you kinda are speaking from ignorance. Not total ignorance of course but if you don't have experience with the Hydro Series you really shouldn't take such a hardline stance. Hydro Series coolers have a very good reputation for a reason. People mod them to start preparing for a custom loop. I sold mine after a year because I knew that if I didn't sell it, I would end up spending more money putting my loop together in the long run and I felt that I didn't wish to open the H50 up and have to dispose of the ethylene glycol mix and continue using the stuff once the system was modded. They are seriously great performers and it doesn't take much to make them better performers either. wink.gif

Now this is not to say Kuhler is a bad setup for you Antec guys lurking in the background, but I wouldn't say that all AIO setups are awesome based on my limited experience and knowledge of Corsair Hydro Series Coolers. I'm sure there are more than a few that lacked the performance that the cost of one should inspire. smile.gif

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