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You obviously havent played ArmA2.

Ok. Perhaps you should also start considering speeds of CPU's rather than thinking more cores is going to make game play better. thumb.gif

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Thats true but I dont think comparing them ONLY at stock, "out of the box" settings is fair. The overclocking potential of the FX puts it ahead of the X4 and by a solid margin. And the fact that you could hit into the 4's with just a multiplier bump alone should count because even guys that dont want to do any overclocking would even do this as its just a couple clicks of the multi and you dont have to mess with anything else. The 980 is just about tapped out "out of the box" where the 8120 is just getting warmed up and has a LOT of potential.

I agree that's not how you should compare them but I wasn't the one who was asking. The 980 should typically reach 4.2GHz so it isn't all that bad when it comes to OC'ing. Most 8120's at least get to 4.5GHz 24/7, sometimes 4.6/4.7 but I've also seen some chips that can't break 4.4GHz. Just a silicon lottery I guess.
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Ok. Perhaps you should also start considering speeds of CPU's rather than thinking more cores is going to make game play better. thumb.gif
I agree that's not how you should compare them but I wasn't the one who was asking. The 980 should typically reach 4.2GHz so it isn't all that bad when it comes to OC'ing. Most 8120's at least get to 4.5GHz 24/7, sometimes 4.6/4.7 but I've also seen some chips that can't break 4.4GHz. Just a silicon lottery I guess.
no, I'm 100% certain if the developers bothered with proper multicore support it would run alot better.
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Now you're just pulling "facts" out of your ass.

Whatever you say. thumb.gif
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Whatever you say. thumb.gif
so.. back to our original discussion. Why are you against multithreading?
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no, I'm 100% certain if the developers bothered with proper multicore support it would run alot better.

Games do have "proper" multicore support. I hope you are not referring to utilizing 8 cores to being "proper" support, because in no way is that true considering AMD has ONE desktop CPU which has 8 integer cores and Intel doesn't have any on their desktop line. "Proper" support is support for what most systems have these days, which is going to be dual and quad cores.
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Battlefield 3 actually likes the 8120, but overall I'd go with the 980.
The extra money spent on the 8120 isn't worth it.
The 960T is on sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995
It has the possibility to be unlocked to a 6 core, and of course you can just overclock it to 980 levels.

Yeah, but the 960T is a 45nm CPU with a 95W TDP. It already lacks the power capability to compete with other Phenom II's, unlocking the extra cores and or overclocking it wouldn't help. There'd be very little power left to go around. In my opinion even though the 980 is old it's still fast and will continue to be sufficient for years to come.
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Games do have "proper" multicore support. I hope you are not referring to utilizing 8 cores to being "proper" support, because in no way is that true considering AMD has ONE desktop CPU which has 8 integer cores and Intel doesn't have any on their desktop line. "Proper" support is support for what most systems have these days, which is going to be dual and quad cores.
so you're saying if ArmA2 used all of BD's threads like BF3 does it would perform with no benefit to performance?
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Yeah, but the 960T is a 45nm CPU with a 95W TDP. It already lacks the power capability to compete with other Phenom II's, unlocking the extra cores and or overclocking it wouldn't help. There'd be very little power left to go around. In my opinion even though the 980 is old it's still fast and will continue to be sufficient for years to come.


The 95W TDP doesn't mean it only has 95w of power to use to power the CPU.. It is the rated power usage out of the box. Unlocking it will raise that TDP to 125W like the other X6 Phenom's, and OC'ing it will raise it furthermore.

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so you're saying if ArmA2 used all of BD's threads like BF3 does it would perform with no benefit to performance?

Yes, because that is EXACTLY what BF3 does. The gain from using 4 cores to using 6 or 8 in BF3 is minimal gains to none.
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The 95W TDP doesn't mean it only has 95w of power to use to power the CPU.. It is the rated power usage out of the box. Unlocking it will raise that TDP to 125W like the other X6 Phenom's, and OC'ing it will raise it furthermore.
Yes, because that is EXACTLY what BF3 does. The gain from using 4 cores to using 6 or 8 in BF3 is minimal gains to none.
I hope you realize BF3 is GPU limited not CPU limited. ArmA2 is the other way around, having 500+ AI's would definitely perform better on BD if ArmA2 had better multicore support. The reason BF3 does not gain much is because there is nothing to gain, its a simple game unlike ArmA2.
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I hope you realize BF3 is GPU limited not CPU limited. ArmA2 is the other way around, having 500+ AI's would definitely perform better on BD if ArmA2 had better multicore support.

Multiplayer uses more CPU than you think. 64 player maps put ridiculous strain on the CPU. Single player BF3, you are right though.

Also depends what kind of multicore support your looking for. BD only has 4 FPU's like a quad core.. each FPU is shared with 2 integer cores..
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