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I forgot to mention that he mostly plays Crossfire, but there are others that I don't know the name of.
Edited by krrice - 4/26/12 at 8:25pm
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I forgot to mention that he mostly plays Crossfire, but there are others that I don't know the name of.

APU setup or i3 setup will work great for you at your price point. Good luck you have many solid options in this thread!
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I just put a gaming machine together for myself with a little more than a 500$ budget. This is almost exactly what I put together listed below. If you want it to be under 500$ just switch the G850 to a G520(37$ cheaper) but with such a powerful GPU (GTX 480) a weaker processor than the G850 may hold it back in some games. This rig will not only be fairly cheap and include everything(except for hard drive and CD drive) it will also absolutely destroy modern games. Unless your son is gaming at higher resolutions than 1080P(1920x1080) the build listed below will be able to completely max out every setting in every modern game. Games you buy in the future will continue to play well on this rig for years to come.

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Open Box: ASRock H67M (B3) Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
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Here is a build with over $100 in MIRs
$450 build after rebates (Click to show)
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CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ECS H61H2-M2(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($35.78 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($126.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: OCZ 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH22NS90B DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $437.68

You can upgrade the GPU to GTX 480(~$100 more) they seem to be some of the best price/performance GPUs right now.
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what do you exactly have and will reuse and what do you want do you want only those items that you have post above
and firstly replace the motherboard with a Asus M5A97 @ $88.88 NCIX US and if you have CF in mind then grab a Gigabyte 990FX-UD3 @ 119.99$ for i guess Newegg
secondly the Gpu replace it with a 6870
and lastly the PSU replace it will what Xd_1771 told
wait for your reply buddy and ya forgot to mention would 500$+ be ok before MIR it will be at 500$ and max 10$ extra after Mir redface.gif

I have a case, hard drive and dvd drive but would like to get new ones but I dont see staying around 500.00. I would like to stay closer to 500 but may go to 600. I have already looked at the
m5a97 but it does not support sli and I was thinking later on he could get another card if he needed more performance.
then i think for ~600$ this would be perfect here
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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($78.95 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($126.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Antec 650W ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total (before mail-in rebates): $616.87
Mail-in Rebates: $-50.00
Total: $566.87

you can get that SSD or get This HDD Seagate Barracuda 750GB 7200 RPM 80$ its for the almost the same price thumb.gif i thought you have a HDD so a SSD would be a great addition rolleyes.gif

hope you like it smile.gif
Edited by Tarun - 4/26/12 at 10:10pm
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I'll go ahead and point out that my build can all be ordered from a single source.(newegg) There is something to be said for one stop shopping, and Newegg is a good company to support in my opinion.

It is 50$ cheaper than either of the above builds(before rebates, personally I hate rebates as even carefully filled out they are not at all a sure thing, and then you wait)

It's performance in games will absolutely crush the above recommendations. I'd like to see someone with an i3 2100 or any AMD processor get better performance in a game with a worse GPU...(not gonna happen, so no point in spending more on it)

This is a nearly direct comparison of the GPU they are recommending vs the GTX 480.(well known to be a tiny bit faster than a GTX 570 which is used in the chart)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=518

An SSD could be a nice touch but saving money to upgrade the hard drive later is a good move if you have one already and want a better performing PC.

Overall putting the largest chunk of the budget towards the graphics card is exactly what you want to do if you are building a PC for gaming performance. If you want better video encoding performance the i3 or AMD 4 core processors would help out, but for good gaming performance even the G520 would be enough.

Finally the case I feel is a personal choice, but the Zalman case I listed is a fine placeholder, you could switch to a large variety of other cases for a similar price. The Zalman is a good fall back if the number of options seems daunting.
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^^ people promoting their own builds doh.gif You linked a pentium dual core. That thing is going to choke on games like skyrim and BF3 multiplayer. An i3 or a 960T is a much better choice for a gaming CPU. a Pentium Dual core is good for normal everyday users who only need to web browse a and watch youtube. rolleyes.gif

Sticking with ONE retailer is a horrible waste of a budget. Especially a $500-$600 budget that needs an OS.
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I'm assuming the HDD he's using now has an OS....

I'm promoting it because my personal experience shows the G850 to be plenty powerful for high end modern games. My minimum FPS in Skyrim is 57 FPS with everything maxed out and additional content like high resolution textures. I haven't played BF3 so I can't comment on that, but my Unigine Heaven score is better than many i7 920 + GTX 570 combos.

Edit: I switched it out after finding specific areas in Skyrim that brought my FPS below the vsync 60(down to 57FPS solid) I also found a custom map in Starcraft 2 that near the end brought my system down to 5FPS. I went to Microcenter and purchased an i5 2500k + Antec 620 and clocked that ***** up to 4.7GHZ. In Skyrim the areas I was hitting 57 FPS at did not show any improvement with the i5 2500k at 4.7 GHZ. In Starcraft 2 the taxing custom scenario at the end brought the system down to 7FPS. While that is a significant improvement over 5FPS, it was not any more playable considering the extreme difference in clock speed and number of cores. Ended up returning the i5/Antec 620 combo as no significant improvement was demonstrated.
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His first build states that he was buying an OS.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-9.html

Sorry I have a hard time believing that your Pentium dual core gets ~60 FPS when a i5-2500k cannot get that on average when @ stock. The 570 is slightly better than the GTX 480 in performance, so this is an excellent source to compare.

The i3 will get an average of ~45fps. So again, I highly doubt you are getting an average FPS of 60.

Skyrim, BF3 multiplayer(30+ players), All Blizzard games and Civ5 are all examples of games that will benefit from having a better CPU. obviously you need a good GPU to be paired with it.
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Sorry I have a hard time believing that your Pentium dual core gets ~60 FPS when a i5-2500k cannot get that on average when @ stock..

That's the whole point of my above edit, the i5 2500k didn't yield any additional FPS in the situations where I was below 60(even when overclocked) so it was like, how is this expenditure helping me?(answer: it's not)

I agree Tomshardware is an excellent point of reference and I like to use that website to learn about component speed and their relative inter dependencies. But I am gaming on a 1680X1050 monitor and the GTX 480 is a bit overkill for that resolution, so it really does make sense, I see 60+ almost all the time even with settings maxed.

Edit: Sorry didn't notice the OS requirement, but there was that one post linking to like 30$ windows. That's pretty cheap. They could also just slap the windows 8 beta on there(free download), I'm sure with a little tweaking it runs games well enough.
Edited by Subcutaneous - 4/27/12 at 10:42am
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i5 2500k Asrock Z77E-ITX AMD Radeon HD 7970 ASUS DC2T Samsung Green DDR3 
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Patriot Pyro Hitachi - 2.5" Custom Loop - made from 2 Thermaltake Water 2.0... Auria 27" 1440P 
PowerCaseMouse
PC Power and Cooling 600W Modular Bitfenix Prodigy Microsoft Sidewinder 
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intel g850 MSI P67s c43 EVGA Geforce GTX 480 G skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Patriot Pyro LG DVD Antec 620 7 
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KDS 22" k120 logitech Antec Neo Eco 520W Azza Triton 401 
Mouse
Sidewinder X8 
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