[TT] Kaspersky says Apple is 10 years behind Microsoft in terms of security

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4/26/12 at 8:14pm

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Originally Posted by meetajhu

This is well know thing. Only Apple fanboys are blinded!

so true~~~
since apple got tons more market shares more compare to back than.
now people start to write malware n virus n stuff for the MAC.
now apple's new chanllenge it's the secrurity techs..

but Apple fans will still be Apple fans.
n they will never buy windows. even they want to play some Wondows game, they will rather bet for Mac or game delp to make it mac support or don't attend to buy windows.

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4/26/12 at 9:09pm

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Originally Posted by steelbom

over the past two years they've been handling any security threats which pop up and they've been improving security, such as in Lion, and then with Gatekeeper in Mountain Lion.

Wait until they have to deal with the onslaught that Microsoft does.
It really is apples to oranges when you look at the 5 viruses Apple fought last month vs. the how ever many MS does.

The Apple hate is far far far from unjust imo. They pompously flaunt their lack of viruses while aiming at the uneducated of the glossy eyed. It's just sickening and the use of style and social stigma to execute it puts it over the proverbial marketing edge and makes them look like a pack of snakes, to anyone who knows what a byte is or isn't a ferret.

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4/26/12 at 9:32pm

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Originally Posted by steelbom

... That's rude. I'm not entirely sure what you think I said but it doesn't sound like it's what I wrote. Care to clarify?
I said they're doing well enough as it is... over the past two years they've been handling any security threats which pop up and they've been improving security, such as in Lion, and then with Gatekeeper in Mountain Lion.
That's not it at all. You get three options in Gatekeeper, and the second, is the default option:
1) You can run applications from anywhere
2) You can only run applications from the Mac App Store or applications which are signed by Apple. (Any developer can apply for a certificate for their app, there's no requirements they have to meet.)
3) You can only run applications from the Mac App Store.
And, you can override your default choice on a per app basis.

For 10.8 yup

what about 10.9 or 10.10

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4/26/12 at 10:17pm

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Originally Posted by pengs

Wait until they have to deal with the onslaught that Microsoft does.
It really is apples to oranges when you look at the 5 viruses Apple fought last month vs. the how ever many MS does.
The Apple hate is far far far from unjust imo. They pompously flaunt their lack of viruses while aiming at the uneducated of the glossy eyed. It's just sickening and the use of style and social stigma to execute it puts it over the proverbial marketing edge and makes them look like a pack of snakes, to anyone who knows what a byte is or isn't a ferret.

They'll never have to deal with that. They're basically closing off the flood gates before everything starts pouring in.

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Originally Posted by GermanyChris

For 10.8 yup
what about 10.9 or 10.10

OS X isn't a closed OS like iOS, they'll always allow you to run third party applications -- disallowing that would cause them more harm than anything and I think they know that.

It seems to me that Apple is keeping OS X open, while also allowing the user to close it off like iOS. Essentially, by default, it's going to be closed and anyone who wants to can change it so that it's open.

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4/26/12 at 10:39pm

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For you everyone perusal...

http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms/windows-inherently-more-vulnerable-malware-attacks-os-x-489?page=0,0

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4/26/12 at 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by steelbom

They'll never have to deal with that. They're basically closing off the flood gates before everything starts pouring in.
OS X isn't a closed OS like iOS, they'll always allow you to run third party applications -- disallowing that would cause them more harm than anything and I think they know that.
It seems to me that Apple is keeping OS X open, while also allowing the user to close it off like iOS. Essentially, by default, it's going to be closed and anyone who wants to can change it so that it's open.

Apple is a big fan of curated computing...

They really want to control everything, only time will tell if you or I am right..

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4/27/12 at 12:08am

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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667

You must be using intelligence in a very subjective manner sir. I will tell you who I see using Macs. Soccer moms, their highschool/college daughters who couldn't think out of a paper bag and those who have more money than sense.

You mean industry professionals, scientists and people educating themselves(IE: University students). If you think UNIX is for soccer moms, you need to take a step outside the basement and join the rest of the us in participating in the world.

UNIX obviously isn't for "soccer moms", but most Mac users in my experience have no idea what UNIX is, nor do they ever use their computers for anything except Facebook and Twitter, while the terminal is ignored. Back when I had a Mac years ago, I was the only one I knew who used Terminal.app at all. OS X is designed to shield its users from the scary inner workings of the computer by default, after all

The OS's UNIX capabilities are nice I will admit, but they're certainly not worth the ridiculous Apple tax for mediocre Foxconn hardware.
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4/27/12 at 12:25am

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No. Do your research. Java can be faster than MSVC++.

I agree there. It's not because you go from being on one platform to cross-platform using a java-like structure, that this automatically means things will get slower.
It depends, I think, on how well those cross-platform antivirusses will be coded.

And I think that MS has had a long and succesful journey, security-wise I mean. If I remember correctly, Windows ME was a disaster, security-wise. XP was better, Vista even more and now that we have Windows 7... Well, let's just say: the security is not perfect, and it probably never will be, but I myself congratulate MS on their progress towards security. It aint perfect yet, but it's already a lot better.

Mac on the other hand, well... they haven't really had much reason to work on their security.

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4/27/12 at 12:47am

Riou
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Malcolm

UNIX obviously isn't for "soccer moms", but most Mac users in my experience have no idea what UNIX is, nor do they ever use their computers for anything except Facebook and Twitter, while the terminal is ignorned. Back when I had a Mac years ago, I was the only one I knew who used Terminal.app at all. OS X is designed to shield its users from the scary inner workings of the computer by default, after all

The OS's UNIX capabilities are nice I will admit, but they're certainly not worth the ridiculous Apple tax for mediocre Foxconn hardware.

Indeed.

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4/27/12 at 1:09am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanyChris

Apple is a big fan of curated computing...
They really want to control everything, only time will tell if you or I am right..

I'm not sure about that but they're all for "safe computing", and that requires the OS to be shut off from the outside world and only allow applications from the App Store, however what Apple is doing is making that a choice, which happens to be the default setting.

But yes, time will tell.

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