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Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post

The OS's UNIX capabilities are nice I will admit, but they're certainly not worth the ridiculous Apple tax for mediocre Foxconn hardware.
These days a lot of Macs aren't that more expensive than their competition. Just look at the iMac, Mac Mini, or MacBook Air. The MacBook Pro's are generally more expensive but you'll not really find a competitors laptop with the same kind of battery life -- whether it's worth the price is up to the buyer. (Or I should say, I don't think I've seen a competitors laptop with the same kind of battery life, they may exist, I don't know.)
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

regardless apple does suck at security in comparison to both linux and windows. and they also have very few freeware and poor performance compared to windows and linux. saying that sokething sucks isnt unreasonable of its true. gotta love their 16:10 screens though
You compare Apple's security with Windows and Linux which are both OSes, so I'm assuming you mean OS X Lion, in which case you'd be wrong. I don't know much about Linux, but right now OS X has better security than Windows 7, as it's implemented application sandboxing, which Windows 7 has yet to do, and when it does they'll be on par again.
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Originally Posted by vercomtech View Post

Seems like alot of the newer members tend to take informative threads and turn them into a "Does it suck or not" debate.
I am like you - I love all sorts of technology, for both the pros and the cons.
Eh, you're probably right. But that's the internet tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

I don't like apple's philosophy of closed source.
Their OS is fine but to claim its free of viruses and malware borders on insanity. However after being correctly informed that it is, indeed, unix certified operating system they went a long way forward in my book.
What hurts them most with users like me is the legacy software that I can never use on their operating system. I'd have to download a 3rd party program (emulator) that probably wont work half the time and its a lot of trouble. Lots of MAC users are NEW users to technology. They don't have to deal with this issue so its an easy choice.
To be honest I can't find where they claim that anymore. By legacy apps do you mean PowerPC apps? If so, Snow Leopard does support them but Lion dropped support for Rosetta (and consequently dropped 10GB).
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The other problem I have is price. I know the hardware. I'm not paying 1500 bucks for an operating system thats just outrageous.
A lot of Macs these days aren't really more expensive than their competition. Like I said above, iMac's, Mac Mini's, MacBook Air's, etc.
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AS FAR AS YOU! Even though your posts are mostly rational and calm (in tone) I have to say the tendency to see you as a blind defender of all things apple does bleed through. If I ever see an apple thread you havent posted in my first comment will be inb4 steelbom says its alright. But MORE POWER TO YOU. there should always be 2 or 3 sides to every argument at least! Because when everyone agrees everyone tends to be WRONG!
I don't agree with everything Apple does, but I think it may seem that way or that I'm defending them simply because there's so much Apple hate on OCN. This is a technology forum, there's all kinds of people with different preferences, but there's far more Apple haters than there are Apple fanboys, so we're going to be seen posting a lot.
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Apple fanboy checking in again, I think what bothers me about these posts is that there is just a lot of uninformed nonsense posted as if it were fact.

The irrational Apple hate is, well, irrational.

Most of you seem to really believe that only 14 year old girls use Apple stuff. The fact is a lot of it is simply that a Windows pc is a lot cheaper to build and so that is what most of us on OCN do. From that viewpoint, Apple's prices seem high so we hate what we don't use.

I am an avid Mac fan. I have been since I switched in 2006. Before that I was a Linux user. Windows has always seemed second rate to me, and frankly the ONLY reason I even own a Windows license is for gaming.

That is to say I have a wide base of technical knowledge. I first compiled Linux 2.0.35 and that was quite some time ago. I was a FreeBSD user for a time and am/was familiar with it's kernel and internals.

I like OS X because it can do whatever those other OSes can without all the hassle of building kernels and drivers while still giving me the flexibility to do so if I wish.

Much of OS X is open source. See: Darwin

I can download a lot of the latest OS X releases source code

Is it totally open source? No.

Is it perfect? No

Is it just for 14 year old girls?

No.

If you want to hate Apple because they are the big dog, go ahead. They weren't always top dog and they won't always be.

And I would argue that they got there a lot more honestly than Microsoft did with there illegal deals and Monopoly practices. At least Apple got big because people actually LIKE they're products.

The quality of this site suffers when people just spew the same tired nonsense over and over.

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Apple fanboy checking in again, I think what bothers me about these posts is that there is just a lot of uninformed nonsense posted as if it were fact.
The irrational Apple hate is, well, irrational.
Most of you seem to really believe that only 14 year old girls use Apple stuff. The fact is a lot of it is simply that a Windows pc is a lot cheaper to build and so that is what most of us on OCN do. From that viewpoint, Apple's prices seem high so we hate what we don't use.
I am an avid Mac fan. I have been since I switched in 2006. Before that I was a Linux user. Windows has always seemed second rate to me, and frankly the ONLY reason I even own a Windows license is for gaming.
That is to say I have a wide base of technical knowledge. I first compiled Linux 2.0.35 and that was quite some time ago. I was a FreeBSD user for a time and am/was familiar with it's kernel and internals.
I like OS X because it can do whatever those other OSes can without all the hassle of building kernels and drivers while still giving me the flexibility to do so if I wish.
Much of OS X is open source. See: Darwin
I can download a lot of the latest OS X releases source code
Is it totally open source? No.
Is it perfect? No
Is it just for 14 year old girls?
No.
If you want to hate Apple because they are the big dog, go ahead. They weren't always top dog and they won't always be.
And I would argue that they got there a lot more honestly than Microsoft did with there illegal deals and Monopoly practices. At least Apple got big because people actually LIKE they're products.

The quality of this site suffers when people just spew the same tired nonsense over and over.
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I'm sorry, but everything after that just made you lose all credibility. Good day sir.
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post #134 of 210
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I wouldn't say macs are for the easy, windows really is the same thing. It's a closed OS, where outside of AV and tweak tools you have no real control. You can do quite a bit more with OSX than Windows. I'll stick up for OSX, it is a good system. However the price you pay for that is a bit too great. Cause really, if you screw up windows with software you can always do the format and install option. How much easier can it get? Point, read, click, done. That's windows, and as much as OSX is like this you still have a terminal that is very productive as well as the entire X11 tool chain if you so choose (start building linux programs). So OSX is very extensive, just so over priced that I can't justify their products.
I do like their portable stuff, phones, pads, ipods, but those products are so expensive in general that it really is hard to find a good deal all around. Their consumer products for computers is just a bit crazy, too crazy.

This post is so confusing, and bordering nonsensical.

You go from explaining how price is just "too great" then suddenly go into Windows recovery?

The archive/Install option has existed since at least Tiger, and it is a far more reliable and effective way of restoring a Mac than Windows "repair/upgrade" installations. Very rarely do you have to wipe your entire disk to get your computer working again. WIth snow leopard they even made this the default choice if it detected an OS.
 
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This post is so confusing, and bordering nonsensical.
You go from explaining how price is just "too great" then suddenly go into Windows recovery?
The archive/Install option has existed since at least Tiger, and it is a far more reliable and effective way of restoring a Mac than Windows "repair/upgrade" installations. Very rarely do you have to wipe your entire disk to get your computer working again. WIth snow leopard they even made this the default choice if it detected an OS.

The point is that ultimately any level of retard can fix windows if it really comes to that.
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Eh, you're probably right. But that's the internet tongue.gif

Agreed - reminds me of this:
 
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So much Mac hate. If you don't like Apple or their OS, thats fine, but don't start judging the users as 'wanna be cool hipsters with too much money'.

I have a mac, my whole school has macs. It was part of the package, and we are not allowed to use other laptops in class. (The macs are all locked down with preinstalled necessary software etc). Since I had to get a mac for my school, I don't see the point of buying another laptop, hence I use my mac as primary laptop.

I can already see a typical OCN user walking up to me if I use my mac in public and then shouting OMG LOL U SO DUMB OVERPRICED DURR UR IDIOT.

For the record, the majority of people in my school actually prefer windows, as well as the teachers. However because they use macs they must be apple fanboys...
Edited by .:hybrid:. - 4/28/12 at 2:35am
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I'm sorry, but everything after that just made you lose all credibility. Good day sir.

You are right, you are sorry.

That is the exact point I was making. You saw that I was a mac fan, then your brain closed up, and your mouth began typing.

That is totally irrational my friend.

But this is pointless so........
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I'm sorry, but everything after that just made you lose all credibility. Good day sir.

Why is that? Just because he admits he is a fanboy? I take it that you are a Windows fanboy then, does that mean that you have no credibility when it comes to all things windows as well?
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I have been saying this for 10 years now.
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Kaspersky told CBR. “For many years I’ve been saying that from a security point of view there is no big difference between Mac and Windows. It’s always been possible to develop Mac malware... ”

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