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I'll let it updater later is how stuff like this happens security threats remain as you know..
Which my point remains that it's not fully automatic.
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Yes, brought all 5 Macs in for a scan, got the AV lecture and was sent on my way.

Exactly as I thought. There was a "accreditation" process in which your system had to be allowed onto the network. Which negates and nullifies most risks and makes you an exemption from the general populace.
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DA IA has been testing iPads also from what I hear from some friends down in GA, I'm guessing the intent is to replace BlackBerry with iOS but thats a guess. Nothing happens fast but you'd think they'd head over to Windows phone..

Actually I posted about this a while back. NOAA ditched the Blackberry in favor of the iPhone. As far as I know the government is making the move. I do not know the reason why, but I'd have to say it's mostly because iOS is not an entity like Android is. iOS has a specific company behind it and Android while purchase and backed by Google is more of an entity floating around different phone manufacturers. My guess on the preference of iOS is the object would be that they can control the phones better. But that is just speculation.
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Which my point remains that it's not fully automatic.
Exactly as I thought. There was a "accreditation" process in which your system had to be allowed onto the network. Which negates and nullifies most risks and makes you an exemption from the general populace.
Actually I posted about this a while back. NOAA ditched the Blackberry in favor of the iPhone. As far as I know the government is making the move. I do not know the reason why, but I'd have to say it's mostly because iOS is not an entity like Android is. iOS has a specific company behind it and Android while purchase and backed by Google is more of an entity floating around different phone manufacturers. My guess on the preference of iOS is the object would be that they can control the phones better. But that is just speculation.

Nothing in osx can auto-execute thats part of the security..

Yes all my computers have been validated and I'm monitored when on the government network, but my surfing practices are no different than most people, I'm just a guy on the net.

That would be part of the reason is the ability to call Apple when needed, I don't know how well mail plays with exchange. On macs it was terrible until Lion but I don' know about iOS. Maybe MS has fallen out of favor with the government, maybe it's the whole package apple for HW and SW, it just seem counterintuitive.

I'd actually like to see a govenment Linux distro we could save some money and have built every aspect of it, rather than deal with the comprimises that OSX and Windows makes.

It's going to be an interesting 12-18 months.
 
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Nothing in osx can auto-execute thats part of the security..

And that's a given. Which is why it's still putting weight on the users.. and if the users are unaware of a problem.... they won't take the steps to protect themselves or mitigate the risk.
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Yes all my computers have been validated and I'm monitored when on the government network, but my surfing practices are no different than most people, I'm just a guy on the net.

Yeah but I bet you're not one to go around downloading and installing things which you have no understanding of or from an illegitimate site.
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That would be part of the reason is the ability to call Apple when needed, I don't know how well mail plays with exchange. On macs it was terrible until Lion but I don' know about iOS. Maybe MS has fallen out of favor with the government, maybe it's the whole package apple for HW and SW, it just seem counterintuitive.

I would think they are working on or have a solution, especially since governmental agencies like NOAA have already made the shift.
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I'd actually like to see a govenment Linux distro we could save some money and have built every aspect of it, rather than deal with the comprimises that OSX and Windows makes.

Completely Agreed.
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It's going to be an interesting 12-18 months.

That it is.
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Makes sense they've never really had to deal with it on any major scale
    
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It's not that. AV should be the last line of defence. People need to browse smarter and not download those 5KB movies on P2P, , install a random codec or click ads, etc. This is how any OS (Even mostly unknown ones like Minix, Plan9, etc) has a security flaw. The users.
I can understand his point with that (Wrong as it is) in that OS X being Unix based means it's more secure against conventional malware, etc attacks in theory. Theory doesn't always apply to reality though, of course.
...Yes, it does. Java code runs on anything with a java exec installed (Windows, Linux, Mac, Solaris, I think there's also OpenJDK on BSD and the like?) with little to no work. Meaning you can have multi-OS code with little to no overhead...The only issue I can think of recently is that OS X 10.5 only had OpenGL 1.3 support or something, and when Notch did an effect for OpenGL1.4 (Might have wrong version numbers) then OS X 10.5 owners couldn't run it until he put it back to OpenGL 1.3.
...No. I'm yet to get a single notification about virii from Avast and I go on facebook quite a bit. Maybe it's because I run adbl-oh wait, even with ads in IE9 I still get none.

OSX has been certified unix since 10.5, it is not unix based it is unix..

It's not UNIX, it's UNIX based. There is no modern UNIX OS (Although to be fair, UNIX is now the specifications. It can be UNIX or it can't be, it really depends on the way you look at it...I prefer to think of it as most OS' being UNIX these days. it diversified between HP-UX, BSD, OS X, etc too much (Not to mention stuff merely emulating its concepts like Linux and Minix) to really be one OS. Nothing is truly right though.
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...No. I'm yet to get a single notification about virii from Avast and I go on facebook quite a bit. Maybe it's because I run adbl-oh wait, even with ads in IE9 I still get none.

You realize that you're speaking from a sample size of one, right? That's how most malware is spread now. They pay for ad placement on a legitimate site(with fraudulent money), then switch the ad to an infected script later on. Or they infect sites with zero-days, especially wordpress/joomla types.

I can also vouch for well..everyone I've ever seen use FB or the like. When they get malware it's from a dodgy porn site or a site with bad ads (Which don't often appear these days, actually) which also includes people who don't actually check their ads. I'm yet to see anyone I know get infected via Facebook, but for blogs and stuff I can't really say anything.

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Nothing in osx can auto-execute thats part of the security..

And that's a given. Which is why it's still putting weight on the users.. and if the users are unaware of a problem.... they won't take the steps to protect themselves or mitigate the risk.

And this is the biggest threat for any OS. The users. You can make 100% sure there are little to no exploits, but some users attract viruses like OCN attracts trolls.
    
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Typical Mac user

justin is just a troll who wants attention, even he uploaded a vid later about cleaning his phonograph disks using steam, it's all on purpose!
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I'd actually like to see a govenment Linux distro we could save some money and have built every aspect of it, rather than deal with the comprimises that OSX and Windows makes.

The government uses Linux already, it just depends on what branch of the government you are talking about. DoD is heavily involved with Linux because they can tweak and modify it as needed (without needing an NDA from MS) for different security needs. The NSA invented SELinux, as just one example.

As for phones, take a look at this:
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The National Security Agency (NSA) has developed an ultra-secure Android phone built using off-the-shelf kit that allows US Government staff to discuss top secret materials..

This Android phone has basically been locked down. It also allows government officials to make secure calls up to the TOP SECRET level. The interesting thing about this is that it is a completely COTS solution. In the past they would hire their own engineers and contractors to devise hardware for specialized needs like this. That hardware would be classified and thus they would have to place strict controls on its use, etc. It was a PITA. Now they can use COTS stuff to gain the same security level, which is interesting in itself. It suggests that the private world has perhaps caught up to the DoD's classified tech, so instead of wasting money developing their own hardware, they can just use COTS stuff instead.
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The government uses Linux already, it just depends on what branch of the government you are talking about. DoD is heavily involved with Linux because they can tweak and modify it as needed (without needing an NDA from MS) for different security needs. The NSA invented SELinux, as just one example.
As for phones, take a look at this:
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The National Security Agency (NSA) has developed an ultra-secure Android phone built using off-the-shelf kit that allows US Government staff to discuss top secret materials..
This Android phone has basically been locked down. It also allows government officials to make secure calls up to the TOP SECRET level. The interesting thing about this is that it is a completely COTS solution. In the past they would hire their own engineers and contractors to devise hardware for specialized needs like this. That hardware would be classified and thus they would have to place strict controls on its use, etc. It was a PITA. Now they can use COTS stuff to gain the same security level, which is interesting in itself. It suggests that the private world has perhaps caught up to the DoD's classified tech, so instead of wasting money developing their own hardware, they can just use COTS stuff instead.

I work for the DoD..

I think it would be in the best interest to roll out a distro, that goes on every NIPR computer government wide. The maybe we can stop renewing our SharePoint licenses etc. I don't doubt the government and the DoD do a lot of work in the Linux arena it really only make sense especially for cyber security. I just think it's about time we grow our own distro and stop pay MS and Apple to do things that we could do organically. It'd give the sinal folks something to do wink.gif
 
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I can also vouch for well..everyone I've ever seen use FB or the like. When they get malware it's from a dodgy porn site or a site with bad ads (Which don't often appear these days, actually) which also includes people who don't actually check their ads. I'm yet to see anyone I know get infected via Facebook, but for blogs and stuff I can't really say anything.

You're still speaking from an extremely small sample size. Legitimate sites with infected ads is actually the most common infection now-a-days. It's not from visiting shady adult sites anymore. Even OCN had a case of infected ads in the past. ChineseKiwi has already gone over this in another thread though:
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And to those who say 'common sense':
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In a nut shell, here is what happened the past few days.

During a presentation/demonstration of HitmanPro on Wednesday afternoon we visited the NU.nl website (www.nu.nl) to explain our UTM ad blocking technology. With millions of visitors each day, NU.nl is one of the most visited websites in The Netherlands. During this demonstration, the website tried to infect us (and all its other visitors) with malware. Our security engineers investigated the infection and it turned out that an exploit on NU.nl was silently installing the Sinowal banking trojan on computers of its visitors. Cybercriminals had somehow been able to steal the login credentials of the CMS. We first informed NU.nl so they could remove the exploit from their web site and prevent further infections.

Security specialist Fox-IT (www.foxit.nl) estimated that over 100,000 computers in The Netherlands were infected with the malware. The cybercriminals released the exploit during lunch hours, which is a peak time for the popular NU.nl news site.

- https://hitmanpro.wordpress.com/
Not to mention we at Overclock.net ourselves has an issue with an ad that was malware affected since the ad company didn't know it was infected.
'Common sense' is far from foolproof.

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If you want actual scary numbers:
https://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792216/Kaspersky_Security_Bulletin_Statistics_2011
And that's just from systems with Kaspersky AV solutions.....
Or yeah, don't make me laugh with 'common sense' when a website gets hacked and you visit it. Everything looks normal but in the source code...
https://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792223/Monthly_Malware_Statistics_February_2012
Honestly cybercrims can hack a website, change nothing but plant an exploit in the source code and get out without even being noticed. Website works and looks normal otherwise. Good luck with 'common sense' in terms of that.
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