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A friend of mine at work is going to school for game design. He has a couple year old mac book that the school gave him. His last assingment was to use the Unreal UDK to create some game levels. To sum it all up the laptop just cant handle the rendering, so he asked me to price up a build for him. I wanted to price him up a Intel and an AMD build. Now for an intel chip and mobo I am totally confused.

As I understand intel's current line up is the 2011 and 1155 sockets, 3-4 different chipsets, and then there is i5 or i7 both in second and third gen. Also, I feel intel is always changing/adding their sockets which sounds like it can make future upgrades an issue. He doesn't want to mess with overclocking, we will be choosing a dedicated GPU, should we be looking at PCI express 3, and he wants to be able to upgrade down the road on what ever mobo he gets. I'm looking for everyone's expertise, what would you all recommend (chip and mobo wise) for his build?

PS: I will get him folding when he gets set up thumb.gif
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Ignore Ivy Bridge and PCI-E 3.0. The average person doesn't need it. Just get a Core i5-2500K, and an ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe. You can pick up both parts cheap enough now. A 2500K is under $200 now.

This is an 1155 setup. Cheap yet powerful.
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Perfect Ima put something together today.
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The last chips being made for 1155 are Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. You won't be able to upgrade to a future CPU (Haswell) on the 1155. This is the last set. You can't do anything about that unfortunately.

On 2011 you will be able to do IB-E, but then I'm guessing that will be the final chip on that socket.

This is what Intel does though. wink.gif
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If he wants to upgrade, then he should be looking at SB-E or the 2011 socket.
Ivy is the last of the 1155 socket, next will be Haswell on the 1150 socket.

Even then you should go with the i7 build since your friend does rendering and hyperthreads help a lot.
A i7 SB/IB build will cost about the same if you go with the 3820 on the x79 chipset.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but SB-E unofficially supports PCI3.0

AMD can get the job done, but at from what I know, it's really better to go with Intel on this :l
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Socket 2011 is the high end line. It has quad channel RAM (as opposed to dual channel) and 6 core processors. Among other things. It's expensive.
Socket 1155 is the mainstream Sandy/Ivy bridge socket. 1155 has 4 chipsets for sandy bridge:
H61 - Basic. No native SATA III 6Gbps, no overclocking. Can use iGPU
H67 Less basic. Has native SATA III 6Gbps, typically has usb3.0. No overclocking. Can use iGPU. There's not much reason to get this one, unless you need a low end native SATA III board.
P67 - Higher end, has SATA III native, has usb3 (not native iirc), can overclock, but cannot use iGPU. This chipset is being phased out.
Z68 - Higher end, has SATA III native, has usb3. Can overclock and also use iGPU. If you want to OC, get a Z68.

Ivy bridge is bringing a few more. The main one is Z77. It's just like Z68 except with a couple improvements including native usb3.0, second gen Lucid, and other improvements. A review will help you understand the differences.

PCIE 3.0 isn't a big deal. Nothing saturates PCIE 2.0 right now anyway. You need an ivy bridge CPU on a gen3 or Z77 board to use it.

I would recommend getting an i5-2500k and OCing it on a Z68 (or Z77) board. You said he doesn't want to OC, but it's easy and SB runs really cool. OCing will also really help your folding. The overclock will help his schoolwork as well. If he was getting a quad core chip anyway, it's around $100 more to be able to OC it (chip cost +mobo cost, +aftermarket cooler).
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If he wants to upgrade, then he should be looking at SB-E or the 2011 socket.
Ivy is the last of the 1155 socket, next will be Haswell on the 1150 socket.
Even then you should go with the i7 build since your friend does rendering and hyperthreads help a lot.
A i7 SB/IB build will cost about the same if you go with the 3820 on the x79 chipset.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but SB-E unofficially supports PCI3.0
AMD can get the job done, but at from what I know, it's really better to go with Intel on this :l

He doesn't want to be stuck buying a new system in a couple years. Thats what I am worried about with intel, but I figuered intel would be a better solution. Im going to price up some different options.
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PCIE 3.0 isn't a big deal. Nothing saturates PCIE 2.0 right now anyway. You need an ivy bridge CPU on a gen3 or Z77 board to use it.
I would recommend getting an i5-2500k and OCing it on a Z68 (or Z77) board. You said he doesn't want to OC, but it's easy and SB runs really cool. OCing will also really help your folding. The overclock will help his schoolwork as well. If he was getting a quad core chip anyway, it's around $100 more to be able to OC it (chip cost +mobo cost, +aftermarket cooler).

I was going to get him on a nice cool stable oc and have him get a massive cooler.
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The last chips being made for 1155 are Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. You won't be able to upgrade to a future CPU (Haswell) on the 1155. This is the last set. You can't do anything about that unfortunately.
On 2011 you will be able to do IB-E, but then I'm guessing that will be the final chip on that socket.
This is what Intel does though. wink.gif

Whats the point of all the sockets? I want to do an AM3+ build myself just for that reason.
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If it fits the budget, you want an i7-3770k on a z77 board. There's an MSI z77 on newegg for $110 with free shipping. Ivy Bridge is fine for a moderate overclock, won't need a giant cooler, and unless you want to run multiple GPUs or many hard drives, any 'ole z77 will fit your purposes.

That combo will costs ~$430 and will be monstrous for rendering, that sort of thing. If you're near a micro center and want to save some $, see if they're still running $200 special on an i7-2600k, which will be almost as good as the ivy bridge and should work on the same motherboard.

At the same time, for a lower budget setup, I think microcenter or somewhere is offering serious motherboard deals with Phenom II x6 processors. The i7s will be better if you can afford them though.

For cooler I recommend the Coolermaster 212+ from us.ncix.com for budget, HR-02 Macho from amazon for quietness & giantness.

The point of all the sockets? Probably a combination of making more money selling motherboard chipsets with each update and implementing engineering improvements regularly rather than once in a blue moon (AMD). I wouldn't worry about it much. Sure, you have to update motherboards when you upgrade, but the Intel mobos are cheaper than the good AMD mobos anyway, unless you're one of the legion of OCN users who pay $60 more than necessary whenever they buy a motherboard for no apparent reason.
    
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I don't think you need to make a purchase based on upgrade ability. Looking at the performance gains from sandy to ivy.. it is not even worth upgrading. So I am speculating the performance gains from sandybridge-e to ivy-e will be minimal as well. And there will probably be no reason to upgrade just by judging the performance of the 2nd generation sandy bridge chips.
Go sandy-e(2011) if he wants huge performance or ivy(if he does not want to overclock at ALL and can do with 2 less cores), if budget is a factor here you can go for a 2600k and non z77 mobo as they are likely to be cheaper.
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If it fits the budget, you want an i7-3770k on a z77 board. There's an MSI z77 on newegg for $110 with free shipping. Ivy Bridge is fine for a moderate overclock, won't need a giant cooler, and unless you want to run multiple GPUs or many hard drives, any 'ole z77 will fit your purposes.
That combo will costs ~$430 and will be monstrous for rendering, that sort of thing. If you're near a micro center and want to save some $, see if they're still running $200 special on an i7-2600k, which will be almost as good as the ivy bridge and should work on the same motherboard.
At the same time, for a lower budget setup, I think microcenter or somewhere is offering serious motherboard deals with Phenom II x6 processors. The i7s will be better if you can afford them though.
For cooler I recommend the Coolermaster 212+ from us.ncix.com for budget, HR-02 Macho from amazon for quietness & giantness.
The point of all the sockets? Probably a combination of making more money selling motherboard chipsets with each update and implementing engineering improvements regularly rather than once in a blue moon (AMD). I wouldn't worry about it much. Sure, you have to update motherboards when you upgrade, but the Intel mobos are cheaper than the good AMD mobos anyway, unless you're one of the legion of OCN users who pay $60 more than necessary whenever they buy a motherboard for no apparent reason.

the 200$ 2600k deal is expired, I got mine during that time though thumb.gif
however microcenter always does the 50 off z68/z77 mobos with the purchase of a processor
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