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post #11 of 30
I think mines the best but i'm biased heh

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Well, soundcard is a bit of an understatement... it does work as a soundcard but really it's primary function is a DAC, most probably used in conjunction with a 300-800 dollar CD player....

However, the beauty of this product is that it enables your PC DVD drive to act as a "transport", which would give the combo the qualities of a very expensive CD player (think 1000-1500 dollars).

I'm not sure I understand the drawbacks of USB versus PCI, especially when it's implemented like the Perreaux unit above.

The main benefit of an external soundcard is that it keeps the delicate source signal away from the other components of your PC.... the Perreaux unit goes one step further as it doesn't draw power from the USB port (though other sound cards also work in a similar way)



Basically, the diffrence is in the quality of the DACs used, and the high quality power supply. It probably would make MP3s sound worse, as it would have a tendancy to expose any faults in the compression.

Overkill? Maybe, for some. For others, it's the next big thing... computers and hifi come together.

P.S. That's NOT my next audio upgrade, even my kit couldn't do it justice. My old man's kit on the other hand... well, that's a diffrent story.
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Originally Posted by cer0c
Wow thats expensive but is this the best?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829102191
I'm using its retarded twin cousin, the Audigy 4 Pro. I'd have to say it does everything the X-Fi can do, or even the M-Audio. They're on the same mark, from the same parent transistor distributor, doing the same thing music wise. The only thing that makes the X-Fi Fatal1ty or beyond any better than your standard Audigy or Live arrangement is that they've got RAM that recycles itself to underbuffer the music being played in whatever fashion the EAX distributes emulation. I've heard several stories on how you've got to constantly modify the settings with an X-Fi, more so than you would if you had some other sound card.

I'd trade off my 4 Pro, just to try the X-Fi Elite Pro. I'm tech minded, and decent at modifying sounds like a seasoned audiophile.

Ultimately, the decision is yours to make on sound cards. Santa Cruz makes good cards, M-Audio makes good cards, Creative makes good cards, and I'm sure there's a few brands that seem like a hole in the wall, that are worth their weight in gold.... it's the flash of a brand we've heard of that makes up pick up the more expensive box and then pay that kind of cash.
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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
What seperates that from say an X-Fi?

pink

well an x-fi is ok, but its just consumer grade nothing special. i wouldnt ever pay $289 for that x-fi. M-audio is more of professional grade gear, that card i showed you would be good for mastering music in its final stages. So it would be great for gaming and playback of wav's and mp3's. Plus it has 4 inputs and outputs, features a gamer wouldnt really be looking for. But nice none the less. I use my recording interfaces as my primary playback devices and they are fantastic. And since my cards can be used for 5.1 recording i can use it for 5.1 playback as well. Hardware 5.1. and those cards dont even seem to do real surround , it says thx suround but its not specific, maybe if you use the spdif out into a 5.1 receiver. .. real surround sound consists of multipule amplifiers. the way i have mine set up is i have an amp for each channel of surround .
1 for center
1 for front
1 for rear
1 for sub
with dolby dts 5.1

In my opinion those x-fi's are way overrated and over priced.
    
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To burnstudios' last reply, I'd have to say that something along the line of the A4 Pro, or even something that has an external or internal box with all the audio connections right there might be a little better for projects. The ideas of pin-DIN and connecting all your wires randomly on a set of in jacks that you'll guess map out for a while until you get an order seems a bit task laiden and wasteful.

So long as I've ever had my A4 Pro, I've connected Korg boards, electric guitars, mixing studio hardware, and used the ASIO function on it to master my audio in mixers, as well as the software and updates that religiously came of buying it.

Externally connected audio boxes add the extra ability to add things without needing extra converters, assortments of plugs or an overabundance of wires or splitters, nor even the need to attain extra dongles for things you'd apply once you get the hang of it...., seems the wiser choice. The same goes with an internal box.

If you're looking for a great card, wait until they drop in price. Lord knows they make new tech like the world overpopulates. Once we've hit the maximum capacity of old technology, what you want will definitely be within reach, or something greater might just surprise you and then that'll be what you lust for.
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yes like what i use.. i have 4 of these installed in my pc. m-audio delta 44





all i was saying, is that those x-fi cards are not the best or the end all beat all solution to soundcards.
they are way overpriced IMO. These cards i use are made for professional recording ( hence my name is burnstudios, my recording studios name ) but it also turns out they are great for dvd playback and gaming. The first card i linked was merely a suggestion over that x-fi. Which i believe to be of better quality than the consumer made creative/audigy style cards.
    
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I'm using its retarded twin cousin, the Audigy 4 Pro. I'd have to say it does everything the X-Fi can do
Not even close. Here's a sample of things your card can't do...

"The latest version of EAX supports up to 128 simultaneous voices (sounds) giving developers a lot of space for detailed sound effects. Theoreticaly you are now able to hear an impressive amount of 128 bullets hitting a wall at the exact same moment which is quiet a lot.

One of the new features in EAX5.0 is EAX Voice. When using a microphone in a game your voice will be applied to your player model and it's position. All enviromental effects apply and your friends will hear you like you would be inside the game.

Another feature is EAX PurePath. Previous generations of EAX already had support for multi-speaker setups. Depending on the position of a sound in the game it would be played by a certain speaker or speakers. But, before EAX5.0 a developer was not able to tell the sound card to play a sound in an exact speaker. This is very useful when it comes to bass in a game. Now a developer can feed your subwoofer with the sounds it is supposed to play rather than all low frequency sounds in a scene. This technique is being used in movies that use Dolby Digital or DTS for years now.

Another feature in EAX5.0 is Environment FlexiFX. It gives game developers the possibility to use all 4 fully flexible hardware effect slots. This means soon we will hear a bigger variarity of effects in games simultainlously.

With EAX MacroFX sounds that are close to you can be very accurately recreated. Someone whispering to your ear, a bullet flying a couple inch by your head, etc. A game developer has the possibility to make all those sounds far more realistic than ever before.

Environment Occlusion as the name suggests adds enviromental effects to sounds which are located behind a solid object. In previous generations when someone was shooting behind a window you would hear the sound like it's behind glass but it would sound the same if the shooter was in a great hall or in open space. Now, you will be able to distinguish in what space the shooter stands."


Edit: To Burn above...remember that the Elite Pro uses Burr Brown D/Cs. That piece is only considered "consumer grade" because Creative makes it and has a massive following. It by no means lowers the integrity of the unit. A smaller, less well known company doesn't always create a superior product. I haven't used the Elite Pro, but I have sampled Burr Brown D/Cs against inferior ones and they do make a difference (if all else equal).
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M-audio is hardly a smaller or lesser company. In the recording world no one uses creative or audigy cards. The converters in my cards are 2nd to none i wouldnt trade them for anything. Except maybe for an M-audio delta 10/10 or a MOTU mark of the unicorn interface.
    
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M-audio is hardly a smaller or lesser company.
You're stating that M-Audio is as large of a company as Creative and as well known?
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In the recording world no one uses creative or audigy cards. The converters in my cards are 2nd to none i wouldnt trade them for anything. Except maybe for an M-audio delta 10/10 or a MOTU mark of the unicorn interface.
What are they? I've never seen it mentioned that they are Burr Brown. Burr Brown are the highest grade and best D/Cs for audio/video. If they are using them, that's a fantastic price because those are expensive.
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In the profession i am in . M-audio is more well known then creative and audigiy

And actually Burr Brown are not the end all beat all coverters either, there are other companys that make converters that are just as good if not better than Burr Browns , like Analog Device, Wolfson, and Cirrus/Crystal. Actually wolfson converters are more sought after for recording than burr browns. Burr Browns are more main stream. It seems mine have the Analog Device converters which actually rate higher than Burr Browns. And yes M-audio is as big if not bigger than creative, m-audio makes alot more products than creative, both for consumer use and pro grade. And really , no one who is serious about recording/editing music isnt doing it on a creative/audigy card. Ive not been into one DAW studio that uses them. It would be kind of hard to record a multitrack session on a creative seeing how they only have one mic input. I can do 16 tracks at once into my pc at 96khz/32 bit.. versus your creatives 24 bit

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