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You are going to want to toy with Load Line Calibration (LLC) to manage your idle voltage.
The higher you set the LLC, the larger the difference between load and idle voltage. In your case, you may want to bump it down a notch. A lot of people recommend High or Very High for LLC, I got idle problems at those settings. Switching it down to Medium or Regular fixed that problem for me.
Lowering your LLC setting may require you to bump up your vCore offset, though. Keep that in mind.
Don't shut of C-states unless you don't care about power usage. In my opinion, 24/7 overclocks should be stable with the C-states enabled. Allows cool and low power operation when the system is idle.
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try disabling the idle states, that will help in not freezing. but it will also make your CPU a little higher at idle

See now I've got 2 different people telling me to have idle states on or off.
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I've now got LLC at 25% and raised my offset to -0.55.
I'm getting weird voltage readings using pirme95 and cpuz
Idle is fine at 0.934 and when I open anything so that it clocks itself to 4500mhz it goes to about 1.28v, but when I run prime95 blend test and cpu usage goes to 100%, cpuz reads 1.26v.
I thought maybe it was just prime so I tried LinX and OCCT and the same thing happened. When I open them it goes from .94 to 1.28 and then when i start the test it goes down to 1.26...
I'm very confused, but at least I'm not getting any errors.
I also have not turned the idle states back on yet.
but I'm tired and going to bed so thanks for helping guys and any answers to this would be appreciated I'll read them tomorrow.
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For the idle states, leave everything on except C3/C6, this is to be left on if you're using a fixed voltage, otherwise, if you're using offset (as you are), then it needs to be turned off. Turn off turbo and leave all other power saving features on.

Also, the voltage changes are due to LLC. The idle voltage is 0.93v and the load voltage is 1.25v or so, however, under load LLC will adjust the voltages on the fly to avert vDroop which can cause instability. That is exactly as it should be with the voltages. Just do as I said above with power saving states and you will be set. thumb.gif
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For the idle states, leave everything on except C3/C6, this is to be left on if you're using a fixed voltage, otherwise, if you're using offset (as you are), then it needs to be turned off. Turn off turbo and leave all other power saving features on.
Also, the voltage changes are due to LLC. The idle voltage is 0.93v and the load voltage is 1.25v or so, however, under load LLC will adjust the voltages on the fly to avert vDroop which can cause instability. That is exactly as it should be with the voltages. Just do as I said above with power saving states and you will be set. thumb.gif

Great info thank you very much!
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For the idle states, leave everything on except C3/C6, this is to be left on if you're using a fixed voltage, otherwise, if you're using offset (as you are), then it needs to be turned off. Turn off turbo and leave all other power saving features on.
Also, the voltage changes are due to LLC. The idle voltage is 0.93v and the load voltage is 1.25v or so, however, under load LLC will adjust the voltages on the fly to avert vDroop which can cause instability. That is exactly as it should be with the voltages. Just do as I said above with power saving states and you will be set. thumb.gif

Ok I enabled the C1E state and the C3/C6 was already disabled, but you said to turn of turbo? The only turbo setting I found relates to the core clock and if it's off I can't go higher than the stock 3.3?
Am I looking at the wrong one, this mobo's BIOS is quite different from other ones I've seen and I'm not sure if keeping all the power stuff on Auto is the same as having them on like you said to do. Sorry for all the hassle with teaching me the basic stuff I have so many questions lol.
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If you could post a picture of the frequency settings in BIOS I'll be able to have a look at that for you. There is normally a turbo setting which allows it to overclock a single core automatically under single thread load only or multiple cores to a lesser extent. This can interfere with clocks etc. We just need to check that its off.
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The use of C states is completely dependent on the goal of the user.

If the user is trying to gain a 24/7 overclock that doesn't suck down tons of juice at idle (nice if you pay your own power bill), then leave the C states on, lower your LLC, and up your vcore offset.

The recommendation to shut off C states comes from the people that are going for top clock for their chip, and don't care much how much heat or power it consumes. In many cases, it allows a higher overclock for a set voltage since you don't have to worry about the chip jumping in out of sleep states, hoping the voltage comes up in time.

Just for your reference, I'm running at 4.5Ghz @ 1.3v with all my C states enabled and my LLC at Medium. I was able to go higher (ran at 4.8 at 1.4v for a bit), but I prefer to keep my 24/7 clocks lower for longevity sake.

Shutting the C states off is easier, but sometimes easier is less gratifying! smile.gif

I guess my question to you would be, what is your goal? 24/7, or max overclock? Power friendly, or power indifferent?
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The use of C states is completely dependent on the goal of the user.
If the user is trying to gain a 24/7 overclock that doesn't suck down tons of juice at idle (nice if you pay your own power bill), then leave the C states on, lower your LLC, and up your vcore offset.
The recommendation to shut off C states comes from the people that are going for top clock for their chip, and don't care much how much heat or power it consumes. In many cases, it allows a higher overclock for a set voltage since you don't have to worry about the chip jumping in out of sleep states, hoping the voltage comes up in time.
Just for your reference, I'm running at 4.5Ghz @ 1.3v with all my C states enabled and my LLC at Medium. I was able to go higher (ran at 4.8 at 1.4v for a bit), but I prefer to keep my 24/7 clocks lower for longevity sake.
Shutting the C states off is easier, but sometimes easier is less gratifying! smile.gif
I guess my question to you would be, what is your goal? 24/7, or max overclock? Power friendly, or power indifferent?

4.5 is as high as i want to go right now and once all my problems are solved i would like it to be a 24/7 overclock so if its possible to perfect my voltages and temps with them on i will do it.
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I think a 24/7 overclock is achievable without any C state options necessary, as others have said, just disable C3/C6 states and leave C1E enabled, and focus on the LLC and VCore. Doesn't hurt to increase your Vcore a bit more to relieve some of the hassle but 1.28 is great if you can maintain stability with it.
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If you could post a picture of the frequency settings in BIOS I'll be able to have a look at that for you. There is normally a turbo setting which allows it to overclock a single core automatically under single thread load only or multiple cores to a lesser extent. This can interfere with clocks etc. We just need to check that its off.

Wasn't sure if 6 pictures was too many, but I figured I would post every setting here in case any of it is wrong.
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