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post #11 of 31
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i know -.-, i"m such a paranoid idiot. I bought an external case but i was better to just save money for a backup hard drive.
post #12 of 31
The reason we all appear off topic and possibly look as though we don't know exactly what you are talking about is simple...

What you wanted to know is what is the best possible situation to preserve data on an existing disk drive...For example

Temp

Spin up spin down count

Operational time

Whether to keep it internal or keep it in an enclosure.

What we are trying to tell you is that Aside from common logic...IE: not dropping the damn thing.

There is no way to secure the data on a single drive.

Machines are not to be trusted...haven't you ever seen Terminator?

Replicate the important data somewhere else.

Babying the drive might keep your mind at ease...however it does not mean that it won't just kick the bucket on you just out of spite. -_-

Either option you are currently or what you previously were doing is fine. It won't make much of a difference between the two.

Just please head our words when you use the word Securely.
post #13 of 31
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well yeah i see.I decided to put it back in pc, sell the enclosure and get money for backup.Thanks for advices.
post #14 of 31
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well yeah i see.I decided to put it back in pc, sell the enclosure and get money for backup.Thanks for advices.

Did you look through that Google HDD test thing???
At 30c they are more likely to die than at 38c biggrin.gif

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post #15 of 31
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interesting.Well yeah i know that it"s also dangerous if they run too cold.
post #16 of 31
It's optimum if you "can" keep them around 40c.

Get a raid setup for "online" backup and get 1 or 2 big external drives for "offline" backup.You don't have to get them at the same time anyway. Just keep the rarely used external HDDs in a humid free no sunlight environment (within storage temps limits) and you are good.
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Babying the drive might keep your mind at ease...however it does not mean that it won't just kick the bucket on you just out of spite. -_-
Babying killed my Raptor. It made some pretty crazy noises for the last 5 years of its life. Then I decided to give it a short 1 month break. After that it was pooched.

I didn't even move it. I figure all those crazy noises were it reading and rewriting tracks, keeping itself alive. As soon as I pulled it from 24/7 use, the platter magnetism must've degraded too far and what was left was a platter full of bad sectors.

Well, I've always said WD drives love to be worked hard. I just didn't realize how right I must've been. thumb.gif
     
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post #18 of 31
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haha funny but true. You have 2 wd green"s as much as i can se. How many working hours do they have if i can ask?
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haha funny but true. You have 2 wd green"s as much as i can se. How many working hours do they have if i can ask?

Already stated:
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

20,000 hours? They can do MUCH much more than that. I have 25,000+ hour hard drives in my server with absolutely no errors. Western digital rates their green drives at 750,000 hours. I assume you are spinning it down when it's not in use, that still adds to the power on hours but the drive is not getting any wear/tear at that time. It's ideal to spin it down if you only access it couple times a day, but if you access it more than that it's probably better not to spin it down because spinning the drive up a dozen times every day is not ideal.

38C is fine, if you want maximum lifetime don't go above 40C, but under 45C is fine for 99.9% of users because the drive should still last for a decade or more.

If you are worried about data loss, do a manual backup, or get another drive for Raid 1. I can have 1 hard drive failure in my 51TB server, and it will automatically rebuild it when I put in a new disk. If I have 2 hard drive failures at the same time (incredibly rare), I only lose the data on those 2 drives. I could not live without this anymore, without a real time backup you will lose data. Might not be today or tomorrow, or even 10 years, but you will soon or later.
post #20 of 31
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are you ******* kidding me? with no offense a hard drive that does 50 000 spinning hours is alive by a miracle. 750 000 isn"t even a funny number.It"s sad that they are lying by that much. Graph of realiability drops down a lot after about 20 000, that is why i"m asking.
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