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Ok, so some old computer parts finally bit the bullet on my girlfriend's old Pentium 4 machine. It was good enough for managing her eBay business and playing music while she worked. It was running Lubuntu x86 (32bit). Today/Lastnight it died.

So I'm left with little choice now then to buy some more kit.

My two options are:

Case #1

Use a P67 board I have as a backup and buy her:

CPU: Intel Celeron Dual Core G530 2.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail
RAM: 4GB Exceleram Value Series LP E30112A (1x4GB) 1333 (PC3-10666) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM CAS 9-9-9-24 1.5V - £12.98
Case+PSU: ARIANET Syphon Black Midi Tower Chassis w/ 500W Power Supply - £22.78

£69.65 + 14.95 Saturday shipping = £84.60

I could use 4GB RAM from my system since I have two kits, an 8GB and a 4GB, but for £12.95 on that RAM, and the fact that it's not a super performance seeking system, I'm tempted to just buy that instead...

Or

Case #2

We have Pentium 4 519, Pentium 4 531 and a Pentium D 820 in the house which could go in a 775 board.

RAM: 4GB Exceleram Value Series LP E30112A (1x4GB) 1333 (PC3-10666) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM CAS 9-9-9-24 1.5V - £12.98
Board: [URL=http://MSI G41M-P28 Intel G41 (Socket 775) DDR3 PCI-Express Micro-ATX Motherboard]MSI G41M-P28 Intel G41 (Socket 775) DDR3 PCI-Express Micro-ATX Motherboard [/URL] - £32.70
Case+PSU: ARIANET Syphon Black Midi Tower Chassis w/ 500W Power Supply - £22.78

£68.46 + £14.95 Saturday Shipping = £83.41



At the most I could save £12.98 on the RAM on both cases, but in the second case I can sell my backup board to recoup some costs... The Pentium D 820 gets around 800 passmark... the Celeron G530 gets over 2000 passmark. Also, major lol, but the Celeron G530 is 10p less than the Celeron G440 (single core 1.6GHz) on that site.

Also, should I throw in a CPU cooler for either, or stick with intel stock and get an extra fan for the case? I have a spare 120mm fan to put in that case (I'd put it on the back of the case and move the 80mm that's there to the case side door into the space for it) and stick the new 120mm fan into the front of the case?

Cooler 1 is : £10 https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Coolers+-+Air/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Alpine+11+GT+Rev.+2+Quiet+CPU+Cooler+?productId=49511

Cooler 2: is £15 https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Coolers+-+Air/CPU+Coolers/Cooler+Master+Hyper+TX3+CPU+Cooler+?productId=39657

Seems daft but the absolute maximum cost of this build is £100. I'd side with the Coolermaster CPU cooler but if the other is ok and I can grab a £5 fan I dunno.

My brain is fried (as it always is buying new kit!) but I need a definite before 3pm today to get saturday delivery!

edit:

Oh and she's actually quite sold on that case. I know these PSU's that come with super cheap cases aren't always good but it's not a gaming system that she'll be pushing and Aria have good customer service and warranty. I trust it. She actually talked about painting the front grills red and blue because she thinks it looks like Optimus Prime xD
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when you have only £100, it would feel like a very very painful choice to me.
Not every RAM kits fits everywhere, though. Seems best to me to cross-reference the model number of the RAM kit with the QVL (Qualified Vendor List).

Other than that, I'd go with the first option, but to be blunt with you: I wouldn't be caught dead with either of those two.
My own opinion, buy the lowest since your girlfriend's PC is dead now, but tell her to save for a decent one. A good i5 will last you for 4-5 years at the very least, if not longer.
 
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when you have only £100, it would feel like a very very painful choice to me.
Not every RAM kits fits everywhere, though. Seems best to me to cross-reference the model number of the RAM kit with the QVL (Qualified Vendor List).
Other than that, I'd go with the first option, but to be blunt with you: I wouldn't be caught dead with either of those two.
My own opinion, buy the lowest since your girlfriend's PC is dead now, but tell her to save for a decent one. A good i5 will last you for 4-5 years at the very least, if not longer.

I could in theory spend more but with times being tough I really don't want to. I've been looking for old LGA775 mATX boards for cheap over the last couple of weeks to put into her system.
I threw that machine together about a month ago out of parts from the garage just to get something up and running for her to use as a dedicated machine just for her. There's a Core2Quad and a Core2Duo (Q8200 and E8200) in the house for her to use but the kids mainly hog those playing Minecraft and other stuff so she always fought to use a computer for her business. I offer mine constantly but she refuses to use it on the grounds that she think she might break it (totally illogical but as such are most women!).

As for being caught dead, yeah me neither (check out my sig rig tongue.gif) but she was happy with Lubuntu and a Pentium 4. The only issue she had was it wouldn't play her Facebook games. The P67 board I have is the Asus B1 P8P67-PRO that I missed the deadline for the B3 revision (and thus bought my B3 version last August when the SATA ports went). It's been listed on eBay numerous times and it gets watchers but no-one ever bids and buys it. So I think I'd have a hard time selling it on to be honest.

I've been weighing it up and I reckon the extra £1 or so for the SandyBridge, with the performance increases it gives, would be worth it over getting a LGA775 system and using a Pentium D (800 passmark and 130W TDP compared to 2200 passmark and 65W TDP).

What about the case, though. Buy a cooler or buy some fans for the case? I can't find anything about the temps that CPU throws out
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As for being caught dead, yeah me neither

Thank God, I was a little afraid I might have offended you there. Glad I didn't.

But the problem with those LGA775 is that they came from a period in time when you could be certain your PC would be slow in a certain amount of time, usually 4 or 5 years.
I'm pretty sure you can spend almost 10 years with any decent i5, let alone an i7. My point is: I worry a little over the lifespan of your GF's new computer.

Wouldn't it be better to go a little more expensive, but to buy a decent LGA1155 and more importantly, a decent i3 or i5 SB, and to rest assured that your new PC will last half an eternity, than to buy a less-than-hundred-pounds-PC where there's a fairly large chance - that's what I think at least - it'll break down anytime. Might be now, might be in a year.

And about the case: I would personally suggest going as cheap as possible with this. Your girlfriend isn't gonna game, she isn't gonna overclock, all she'll ever want to do is to be able to access the internet without a coffee break in between, and to access her facebook games and play them decently. So that means your CPU won't be loaded too much, so therefore it shouldn't spread too much heat, so therefore the case doesn't need to be all that special. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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It's true and I agree about a good i3/i5 lasting a while. If I keep the P67 and go for the Celeron I can grab a cheap i3 later on down the line when they become cheaper than £100 (that they are currently)

Honestly, for the extra £1 I'm going to go for the LGA1155 setup because it's a lot newer tech... It also uses less power which she's a stickler for (electricity bills and stuff) And and it's a better upgrade path for the future. Right now LGA775 CPU's are cheap but old tech, power hungry and yeah. Also, the fact that selling a B1 P67 baord is next to impossible might have something to do with this too!


http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Celeron G530 ranks impressively high in that list. Just above a Core2Duo E8400

It's all down to power drain at this point!

Just need ot see if there's any point getting a CPU cooler or sticking with the Intel HSF and getting a case fan or two!
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And you wouldn't by any chance be able to keep the case you have now, and spend a little more on a better CPU? smile.gif
 
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And you wouldn't by any chance be able to keep the case you have now, and spend a little more on a better CPU? smile.gif

The case she has now is an eMachines mATX thing... frown.gif I have had to zip tie a 120mm fan to the back of it in an extremely uncomfortable way to draw some heat out of the thing! She's quite set on that case!

check this out though:

https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Processors+-+Intel/Celeron+-+Socket+1155

The g440 is 10 pence more expensive and a whole lot more suckier. The g540 is over £10 more and isn't that much better. That CPU seems like a total steal. The cheapest i3 is £90, cheapest Pentuim is £45.. but it's just above the g540/530: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_5.html#sect0 Doesn't do too bad at gaming performance either. It's not a bad little chip... for a celeron.

But yeah, I can't get anything leaps and bounds better until I grab an i3 which is not viable!
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I pulled the trigger and bought the Celeron g530, 4GB cheapy RAM and that case. Should be coming tomorrow and I'll update this thread with the results! I was reading the comments on the site and basically for £30 you can't go wrong with that CPU, it's faster than an E8400 which is something!
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the Intel Celeron G530 was certainly the BEST option out of those two.

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Both with EIST enabled hence the slow clock speeds as the system returned to idle. Very nice chip!
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