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Hey all,

I've been in the middle of building a new rig for a couple days now since my last computer is almost nine years old now... yes, very very old. I've been using a laptop due to moving so much for work, but that job is over and I've got some cash to put into a good rig.

I've decided on a few components, but I'm having trouble with the water cooling, as I've never delved into this before. I'm hoping to get some feedback on appropriate parts, part quality, and any tips you might have for first timers.

As my rig is being built from the ground up, any parts I haven't listed are TBD or negotiable.
MOBO: Asus ROG Rampage IV Extreme
CPU: Intel i7 3930K
GPU: (two with SLI) EVGA nVidia GTX 570 2560MB 3.8GHZ

I've seen a couple routes out there that seem my speed. I figure I'll get into individual parts more as time progresses, but for now I want something (relatively) simple that will still have good quality. I'm curious as so how much I should be expecting to spend on a good cooling loop? I've set myself a soft budget of 4k for the entire rig, and the parts I've already listed are probably going to run me 1.85k already...

The first route I've seen is the XSPC Rasa 750 RX360 kit which seems quite good, but I have a couple questions surrounding it. I haven't chosen a case yet because I am hoping that there exists somewhere a case where the radiator will fit inside nicely without any (or minimal) modding. Also, I am curious about putting more blocks into this system, as I do want to hit my GPUs pretty quickly. What is the general block-to-pump ratio in a loop?

The second route I'm considering is the Koolance line, as they seem to have some good quality parts and a good reputation (as far as I've seen). I want to put together the EXT-440CU external unit with a CPU-370 block and two VID-NX580 blocks, with a possible future block for the motherboard as I start pushing the overclocking a bit more. I would grab whatever nozzles and tubes I needed with this setup also, probably in the 3/8 size. Seems like with this setup I could keep the blocks for however long I needed, and replace the external unit with better rad/pump/res when wanted. The concerns I have with this setup are: is this going to be enough pump power and enough rad cooling for my setup? I suppose it depends on how much heat I want to dissipate...

I've seen a couple of the threads on this site and the cooling systems that look oh-so-shiny... took a look at the tutorial by juggalo23451, it answered some of my questions... anything else I should be considering? Any thoughts on the above decision? Thoughts about external vs. internal solutions?

Thanks in advance, much appreciated!
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Well, as far as a case goes, They arent cheap but you can fit a huge radiator in the bottom, and you just need to remove the HDD cases, Its from silverstone, the TJ11.
http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Computer-Aluminum-Unibody-TJ11-BW/dp/B004MKNNGM
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I like it... the cost of the case would be offset by spending less on the cooling system... the Rasa kit is way less than the Koolance external unit, if I went Koolance I would probably go for a less expensive case.

...some food for thought! Thanks!
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I like it... the cost of the case would be offset by spending less on the cooling system... the Rasa kit is way less than the Koolance external unit, if I went Koolance I would probably go for a less expensive case.
...some food for thought! Thanks!

For that amount of dough, I'd be looking into an STH10. Scratch that, I'd have already bought an STH10. You can fit a crap ton of watercooling in it and still have space left over. Customization is between you and Jim (from caselabs).

Don't throw away that money when you could do a lot better!


Pics to prove my point. STH10 next to an 800D.
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Personally, I'd look into the Raystorm Extreme kits if you're looking to cool a CPU and two GPUs. They're more expensive, but you get what you pay for, it comes with a much nicer pump and a better CPU block. Just add in a pair of GPU blocks and fittings for them, and you're set.
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Personally, I'd look into the Raystorm Extreme kits if you're looking to cool a CPU and two GPUs. They're more expensive, but you get what you pay for, it comes with a much nicer pump and a better CPU block. Just add in a pair of GPU blocks and fittings for them, and you're set.

I didn't know these existed. Looks like a much better deal for the money, thanks for pointing this out!
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For that amount of dough, I'd be looking into an STH10. Scratch that, I'd have already bought an STH10. You can fit a crap ton of watercooling in it and still have space left over. Customization is between you and Jim (from caselabs).
Don't throw away that money when you could do a lot better!
Pics to prove my point. STH10 next to an 800D.
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This looks like a very nice case! I guess I will have to talk to their people and make sure my planned components will fit in there - although it looks like a behemoth, almost wondering if I could park a car in there. Looks like it's designed for water cooling though, I bet I could do some nice setups in there! With this kind of case I am really starting to think of the external unit as a non-option, especially given that I can see some good expandability options. Glad you pointed this out as I am already seeing a lot bigger value in it while I imagine the possibilities...

Thanks to both of you for your input, I will be sure to post pictures of my finished rig when I get all the pieces biggrin.gif
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post #7 of 24
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I will be going with the XSPC Raystorm RX360 kit and the Magnum STH10 case, grabbing a quick 850W PSU (can't really go wrong), and will grab the blocks for the GPUs from Koolance since they look shiny.

My only question before going forward with purchasing would be: which CPU block is better, the CPU-370 from Koolance or the CPU Block that comes with the XSPC Raystorm kit? (I still can't nail down what block exactly they are including, maybe it has to do with me being unfamiliar with product numbers)

I'll probably sit on the purchase for a couple days just to mull over it a bit, but I haven't heard any comments that make me think I'm way off the mark, so kinda excited to move forward with this! As before, will post pics during the build for you guys tongue.gif
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post #8 of 24
The Raystorm is a bit less restrictive than the 370, but temperature-wise they're VERY similar. Most of the top blocks are all within a degree or so of each other, so it's not really worth the cost to get rid of the Raystorm and pick up a 370, unless you just want it for looks.
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Many thanks for your input bakageta, I ended up not getting the koolance cpu block and now I'm more glad of that decision wink.gif You guys were all a tremendous help as I delved into my first foray in water cooling.
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Ugh... okay guys, here's the deal: ran into an issue with my GPUs and the cooling blocks I ordered. They don't match, at all.

Here are the part links:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130687
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12325/ex-blc-855/Koolance_VID-NX580_NVIDIA_GTX_580_VGA_Liquid_Cooling_Block_No_Fittings.html
http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=gtx%20560&product_id=2005 (says product is 570 AND 580 compatible)

Apparently they don't work well together? What would have been my indication that the card I chose had a non-standard form? Feeling like a newbie and gearing myself for the RMA...

Any assistance would be appreciated, cheers!

P.S. so bummed right now...
Edited by seraphicsoul - 5/8/12 at 11:38pm
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