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Poll Results: Which CPU? Priorities: coding, gaming, web trolling, photo/video editing

 
  • 36% (4)
    FX 8120
  • 0% (0)
    FX 6100
  • 63% (7)
    965BE & wait for PD
11 Total Votes  
post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Alright so, I've decided to leave the iHerd and I'm coming from a 2.3ghz i5 Mac Mini w/ 8gb of RAM. This is going to be my first build and im little stuck on my CPU choice. My uses for this system in order are going to be coding - I just started getting into my major classes as a software engineering major... and discovered I dont know jack about hardware biggrin.gif - , gaming, trolling the internet, photo/video editing. Luckily for me people that buy Apple products seem to be clueless as to their actual value and right now I'm only losing about $20 on my ebay auction but that being said I'm placing the value of this build to whatever I get from that. I'm still a broke college student and need to eat for the rest of the semester. I've pretty much got everything else figured out but the CPU is throwing me for a loop as far as value goes. I'm trying to decide primarily between the 8120 and 6100. However, and please correct me if I'm wrong on this, it seems like every other thread is mentioning a new CPU based on Piledriver being out some time towards the end of the year and it should use the same AM3+ socket? Which got me thinking about just picking up a 965BE **Sorry, 960T or X6 1045T**, learning to overclock and just have some cheap fun until the PD is available. In which case im guessing we'll see a nice power increase or a drastic reduction in BD prices. Yes, the 2500k is a great CPU but dont even bother, its out of my budget, I'm stubborn and we'll just leave it at that. I've never OC'd anything ever so I'm not sure how much that would effect the viability of the 965 and 6100 vs the 8120. All OC will be done on air.

AMD FX 8120 - No OC initially or at least not higher than what the stock cooling can do
AMD FX 6100 - Probably same OC conditions as the 8120.
AMD 960T - Considerably cheaper, learn to OC and hold me over until PD is available.
****1045T - ???
ASUS M5A97 Socket AM3+ 970
Corsair Builder 600w PSU
ATI 6870
8GB DDR3 PC3-1600
Antec 302 Case


If I'm headed in the completely wrong direction here please let me know. I will say I'm more of a console gamer now but I wouldn't mind getting back into PC gaming so thats really this build's secondary function to see if I can catch that bug again or not... I think the last PC game I really spent time with was CS source back in 2006. I welcome any suggestions but please know that I do have a set budget and any changes will have to balance out in the end...I already set aside the $$ for the two 23" displays and thats not going anywhere. I love my screen real-estate. wink.gif

Thanks guys.


Edit:
***NEW OPTION****
Phenom X6 1045T? Any opinons here?


Wow, I'm an idiot. 965BE is not the 3rd choice but rather the x4 960T. my current plan is to purchase CPU/Motherboard combo from micro center and of the AMD choices and the board I've selected I have:


8120 $205
6100 $184
x6 1045T $164
x4 960T $144
Edited by redapex - 4/27/12 at 1:48pm
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960T
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post #3 of 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

960T

Sorry, but I'm still new to this. I'm assuming theres some logic behind the 960T choice but im not sure what it is? I'm guessing its because the 960T has the potential to unlock cores? I'll have to search around some more but in my quick efforts I found the X6 1045T for less... any reason I'd do the 960T over that?

Edit: Wow, I'm an idiot. 965BE is not the 3rd choice but rather the x4 960T. my current plan is to purchase CPU/Motherboard combo from micro center and of the AMD choices and the board I've selected I have:

8120 $205
6100 $184
x6 1045T $164
x4 960T $144
Edited by redapex - 4/27/12 at 1:41pm
post #4 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by redapex View Post

Sorry, but I'm still new to this. I'm assuming theres some logic behind the 960T choice but im not sure what it is? I'm guessing its because the 960T has the potential to unlock cores? I'll have to search around some more but in my quick efforts I found the X6 1045T for less... any reason I'd do the 960T over that?

960t
-cheap
-decent ipc
-clocks to 4ghz almost every time with right hardware
-potential to unlock 2 cores
-unlocked multiplier
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post #5 of 22
Also reading over your original post, i would never recommend staying with the stock amd cooler. If you were considering the 8120, you can save money, get the 960t and pick up a decent air cooler like this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214023
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Originally Posted by Cannon19932006 View Post

960t
-cheap
-decent ipc
-clocks to 4ghz almost every time with right hardware
-potential to unlock 2 cores
-unlocked multiplier

Thank you. I'm guessing the 6100 doesnt perform well enough over the 960T or 1045T for the price difference to get a recommendation?
post #7 of 22
Buy the X6 1045T. Don't forget to buy the 2 years warranty on the CPU and Motherboard so that you can take it back and switch for newer tech at a later time. They'll give you a full refund of what you paid to buy newer tech within 2 years.
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post #8 of 22

A locked multiplier does not mean worse OC ability.  Get the free 2 cores for less and go with the 1045T over the 960T.

A 6100 in single-threaded tasks up to 3 threads will come pretty close when both are OCed or eclipse but in multithreaded tasks it will only match a locked 960T due to architecture restrictions.  I tend to sway my recommendations towards Phenom II anyway when it comes to anything above the FX-4100 (which has both power consumption and price advantages but those aren't as much present in 61XX and 81XX).

post #9 of 22
Honestly the new tech is awsome but an 8120 is wht i have and with stock 3.2 ghz per core and 8 cores to boot that is all the power you are going to need for a long time and there is no point in waiting for the new tech it will be pricy to start and what is the sense. Honestly any quad core cpu is going to game fine as long as you are not wanting to go high settings in your game
( and as a student you would not be able to afford alot to begin with im assuming most students are just scraping by)

In short i would get what you want for cores they are all going to have there points and price if you are going to need it to work hard and not overclock i would go 8 core amd 8120

if ya want to OC i would go with a quad to start mabey a amd 965 quad take the OC to 4.2 ghz i ran stock cooling on mine and it did just fine ran a little hot at times but then the chip is cheap


FYI If your going to spend money buy a really good motherboard that can take a better cpu and start at the bottoe with the cpu and as you have more money buy that fx 8120

But i would go with the 8120 for the price and bang for your buck it rocks i love mine but your build your choice i could use big words and tech out but in the end it is what you want and need most applications now are just starting to use all 8 cores so it is over kill for your basic user now a days


But again your build your choice i sugest 8120 and i just bought mine had the same questions you will have 500 people and 500 awnsers yours is always the right one

Game on man
Edited by Boydwazup - 4/27/12 at 2:27pm
post #10 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by redapex View Post

Sorry, but I'm still new to this. I'm assuming theres some logic behind the 960T choice but im not sure what it is? I'm guessing its because the 960T has the potential to unlock cores? I'll have to search around some more but in my quick efforts I found the X6 1045T for less... any reason I'd do the 960T over that?
Edit: Wow, I'm an idiot. 965BE is not the 3rd choice but rather the x4 960T. my current plan is to purchase CPU/Motherboard combo from micro center and of the AMD choices and the board I've selected I have:
8120 $205
6100 $184
x6 1045T $164
x4 960T $144

what board is that?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1189945/amd-zosma-960t-1600t-1605t-cpu-club/1320

EDIT: if it is this one >>>ASUS M5A97 great. get a good cpu cooler because the 960T might unlock. the one Cannon recommended will be minimum. while in microcenter grab a good thermal paste such as a MX-4. another 120 fan maybe for push/pull config on the cpu cooler. pretty much all these will be standard on all the cpu choices above if you want to oc.

with the 960T, you might not go Piledriver - just my 2cents.gif
Edited by rdr09 - 4/27/12 at 2:38pm
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