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Yeah, I must say I was waiting for IB to overclock to 5+GHz. tongue.gif

Now I'm not sure what to do, but I have time to decide until July. Maybe I'll buy a used 2500K instead of IB. What do you guys think - how high are the chances that we get to an improvement for this issue?
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Exactly. There was a lot of talk of easily reaching 5 GHZ on air, and 5.5 GHZ on water.
Not gonna bother to find more examples.
Intel spoiled us with SB and those 5+ GHZ OC's, the problem is that those higher volts required leads to chip degradation.
I still remember when SB launched and telling people that I wouldn't be comfortable going above 1.35v or 1.4v max, 'cuz we didn't know what the long term effects would be.
And again, people should aim for the max overclock they can achieve @ or below 1.3v for 24/7 OC's.

I saw some people here at the forums was running the chip at 1.35 and the temps haven't skyrocket like they usually do. My guess going over 1.3V might be okay on some chips. But we'll never know until we get the chips.
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Yeah, I must say I was waiting for IB to overclock to 5+GHz. tongue.gif
Now I'm not sure what to do, but I have time to decide until July. Maybe I'll buy a used 2500K instead of IB. What do you guys think - how high are the chances that we get to an improvement for this issue?

Why don't you overclock Ivy to 4.8GHz to get same result at 5.0GHz SB at less power. Some Ivy can be overclocked to 5 gigglehurtz.
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Doesn't look like they did anything to compensate for the loss of mounting pressure. Heat density and the cores only being directly under three of the heat pipes may well be part of the issue as well.

Still, I'd like to see a lapped cooler or block tested, with the same mounting pressure as would be applied if the IHS were intact (meaning stick a 2.5mm thick washer, or similar, under the retention arm).
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Maybe they were just at the thermal limit of the air cooler?
Should of used a water cooler tbh....

That chip wasn't anywhere near the thermal limit of an NH-D14.

Total heat production is less than Sandy.
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Exactly. There was a lot of talk of easily reaching 5 GHZ on air, and 5.5 GHZ on water.

All such talk was utterly baseless.

People are idiotic and backwards. Someone says 5.5GHz, everyone believes it. Then actual chips are tested, getting only 4.6-4.8 on air, and no one believes it.

End result: lots of disappointed fools when the actual CPUs show up.
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Something doesn't seem right though... they got HIGHER temperatures by removing the IHS and putting a cooler directly on the die? Shouldn't that result in at least marginally lower temperatures, despite whether or not this TIM Intel is using is bad or good?

The IHS spreads the core heat around all its surface, more or less evenly, so the heatsink's whole area is functional.

Seems that intel's cheap trick isn't at least that cheap.
   
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So clearly its not the TIM that is causing the heat issue here. Good to know thanks im now dissuaded.

I'm not entirely sure that it isn't, actually. While I was pretty sure from the beginning that it wasn't the TIM purely, usually you get some decrease in temperatures even if it's a small one.
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Doesn't look like they did anything to compensate for the loss of mounting pressure. Heat density and the cores only being directly under three of the heat pipes may well be part of the issue as well.

Still, I'd like to see a lapped cooler or block tested, with the same mounting pressure as would be applied if the IHS were intact (meaning stick a 2.5mm thick washer, or similar, under the retention arm).

I guess we have to wait for release to get better tests and results.
    
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i got a question!isnt the k serie made specificly to overclocker need?so basicly this is saying ok the non extreme serie is for soft overclocker?and the extreme k serie is for hardcore overclocker?unless i miss some info !it is basicly what intel is saying by this action!but then i have to say i agree with the logic since the extreme seire should have the best in cooling and other techno for processor !but going at it like this !i dont like it!but then we re talking very cheap cpu.sadly it doesnt make amd cpu pull ahead even by doing this lol
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i got a question!isnt the k serie made specificly to overclocker need?so basicly this is saying ok the non extreme serie is for soft overclocker?and the extreme k serie is for hardcore overclocker?unless i miss some info !it is basicly what intel is saying by this action!but then i have to say i agree with the logic since the extreme seire should have the best in cooling and other techno for processor !but going at it like this !i dont like it!but then we re talking very cheap cpu.sadly it doesnt make adm cpu pull ahead even by doing this lol

I think its a little early to jump to conclusions like that. Maybe the 22nm process does not benefit from solder vs paste, we just dont know yet. What if IB-E uses paste?
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too true!we think we know the final retail version!but till intel has sold us THE OFFICIAL 29 of april version we wont know if paste is just a quicky to get them to tester fast or if its a temporary solution to prevent intel cpu from showing off real number for reviewer till the 29 of april.if it is to prevent reviewer from getting real performance number and make them wait to the 29 or need to retest on the 29(this could be a good reason to put thermal paste to save cost ,since those cpu wouldnt be sold anyway.)cant wait to see the OFFICIAL cpu of the 29 of april!
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People like you are what makes others think there's a much larger difference between AMD and Intel CPU speeds. The actual difference is maybe 15% between Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge, and Ivy Bridge is meant to only be a small step up from Sandy Bridge. When Piledriver comes out, the gap should lessen. The main thing holding AMD back is the use of the same AM3+ socket without moving on to a new socket design. Once they move to a new socket, things can change quite a bit more and the price/performance crown can (potentially) be taken back by AMD.

when piledriver comes out, then it will just be a couple of months before haswell.


Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but after looking over whats available for both of the next chips it seems amd is shooting for reduced power consumption and high base clocks with their mesh design

While haswell seems to be taking a different step forward and taking the fight to amd on their "home turf" of multithreading. Speaking of course of the transactional memory or tsx. If they do truly create a means for programmers to more easily develop highly threaded programs then haswell may be a tremendous right hook at the competition.

With.regards to pcs of course..the mobile world is a whole other beast

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This may be a stupid question, but would there be a benefit to de-lidding, reapplying a better thermal paste and putting the heat spreader back on? From what I read the thermal paste on was just cheap ceramic based.
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