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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post

Or... They signed a short term contract with different manufacturing sites at a higher price per unit, marked up all of the units they had, and then still managed to sell for a profit because people still want HDDs.

The Pacific Asia region really can't be the only place that manufactures HDD, more than likely they SPECIALIZE IN LOW COST MANUFACTURING. As opposed to high-efficiency, high cost manufacturing elsewhere. I could see multitudes of valid reasons why they managed to ship more units and turn a greater profit. People need to stop before they start and think carefully.

This.
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Originally Posted by AgentHydra View Post

IIRC the floods only had a major impact on WD, not Seagate, so it's entirely possible that Seagate's production increased 2%, especially considering WD's relative absence from the market.

Seagate wasn't directly hit, nor was Hitachi but plenty of companies that make parts for HDDs (Eg. Rotors, controllers, etc) did get hit too.
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Young peoples memories suck to high hell.

Welcome to OCN, if anyone here knew anything about computing history, they'd know the one time a new architecture didn't suck out of the gate in relatively recent times was the Conroe one. And that was because it was based off an older one anyway.
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Originally Posted by IvantheDugtrio View Post

That's kind of what I was referring to. The companies (WD, Seagate, etc.) wanted higher prices but needed an excuse. So the floods came and they came up with their excuse.

Nah, WD were definitely hit hard. While they got their production lines up, companies that make the other components of a HDD were also hit, meaning they had to buy parts overseas for more. They overcharged a bit, yes, but everyone buying HDDs still (Especially the surge in demand before the crisis) would have put profits up.

Not to mention, when a store (For example, Newegg/Microcenter or PCCG for any Aussies) hears about this and sees HDD sales going up, they'll put the price up to 1) get more profit and 2) try to ensure they're not backlogged with orders for ages.
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Originally Posted by TFL Replica View Post

Weren't the affected factories only producing 2.5" HDDs rather than 3.5"?

The factories that make other parts for the HDDs were affected as well, WD was the only one directly hit but Nidec, etc were also hit I think.
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Originally Posted by Mygaffer View Post

OK I don't know about "crisis" but there WAS a shortage of hard drives. I work at a computer repair and retail shop and we pretty much couldn't get drives from our wholesalers for about a month or so, then availability starting coming back. Prices have even been normalizing a bit this last month or so.

So to say it was "fake" is nonsense. Now did they take advantage of it and milk it to get customer's used to higher prices and thus higher margins? I believe so. Either way we are looking at a duopoly now so it will be a long time until we see inflation adjusted prices like they were pre-flood.

Eh, maybe in America. This was roughly the price for a 5400rpm 2TB HDD preflood here in Australia, so that's back to normal. 1TBs are still a tad high as are 500GB (But that's because everyones buying 1TB due to the tiny price difference) but they're coming down over time (Last month they were at $129 a pop for 1TB) and the 3TB and 4TB are ridiculously expensive as is normal for any new large HDD.

Anyone saying this was self-imposed is really taking the company hate thing too far, while I have no doubt they (And the wholesalers and store fronts) milked it for revenue, the operating costs would have gone up. WD was hit directly and rebuilding a clean room wouldn't be cheap. Seagate may not have been directly hit (iirc) but the companies that supply the parts other than the platters were hit. Sure, you have the casing and platters for your HDD but you need a lot more than that to make it work.
    
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This is short-sighted of them. This will simply serve to accelerate the development and adoption of solid state drives. Sure, in the short term they make higher profits, but in the long term, the demise of the hard disk drive comes sooner, such that total profits over time are lower. This is typical of today's business culture; a short-sighted focus on next quarter's profits while missing the big picture.
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OK I don't know about "crisis" but there WAS a shortage of hard drives. I work at a computer repair and retail shop and we pretty much couldn't get drives from our wholesalers for about a month or so, then availability starting coming back. Prices have even been normalizing a bit this last month or so.
So to say it was "fake" is nonsense. Now did they take advantage of it and milk it to get customer's used to higher prices and thus higher margins? I believe so. Either way we are looking at a duopoly now so it will be a long time until we see inflation adjusted prices like they were pre-flood.

It might sound rather crazy but what if WD and Seagate told the sellers to limit the sales of HDD's?
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This is short-sighted of them. This will simply serve to accelerate the development and adoption of solid state drives. Sure, in the short term they make higher profits, but in the long term, the demise of the hard disk drive comes sooner, such that total profits over time are lower. This is typical of today's business culture; a short-sighted focus on next quarter's profits while missing the big picture.

welcome to America, where short term profit and growth are more important then long term stability, because the CEO of some company who makes quick bucks today, are probably going to be retired or living in some florida beach mansion when the consequences of their actions come and bites the company's behind
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Sensationalism and lies. Business as we know it. Profit > everything.

To everyone else calling lawsuit... There will be no lawsuits.
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Not surprising cheap tricks works every time,thanks for news.
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I've been waiting for months on end to grab two 3TB drives, I won't order until they drop under £100. To be honest, I know a lot of people who have been holding out due to the prices.

Same here, I want a 3TB WD Green that I can use as a media drive but I'm not paying £150 for one.
    
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These are companys people, publicly traded ones at that. If u have ever taken a economics class you would know their top priority is increasing shareholder wealth. Also, whoever tried to relate this to your mother having cancer is a moron. When have these companies ever owed you anything? Did they bring u up and raise you and push you out of the womb? I dont think so. And if you did notice, there was a huge shortage for about 8 months. Its supply and demand, and if people are willing to pay they price why should they lower it just to make the smallest portion of their sales (end users/pc builders) happy?

haha. did someone actually say that. thats gold
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should've sold all my extra hard drives when the floods hit and get a ton of profit...
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welcome to America, where short term profit and growth are more important then long term stability, because the CEO of some company who makes quick bucks today, are probably going to be retired or living in some florida beach mansion when the consequences of their actions come and bites the company's behind

:lachen.gif: too bad it happens..but it does frown.gif
As I've said before..until prices are as they were..I will NOT buy another HDD
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