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post #4981 of 5564
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Originally Posted by fast_fate View Post

Are you on air OR underwater ?
Water cooling will most likely be your key to unlocking higher clocks.
My clocks in last post for the Firestrike run are on air.

Try lowering the power down from +135 to 115 or 120 and see if it helps.
Extra power could be generating more heat and throttling ??
Adding to that re: your modded Bios question - more volts = more heat again.

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, I wasn't notified of your reply and opened up to see if it had failed to notify me.

I'm running on air. I never thought I might be throttling it. I'll try lowering the power and see what happens. I'm not a great overclocker, I'm relatively new to the field.

I'm already hitting 82c, so I guess modifying the voltage is out of the window.
post #4982 of 5564
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Originally Posted by Proxish View Post

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, I wasn't notified of your reply and opened up to see if it had failed to notify me.

I'm running on air. I never thought I might be throttling it. I'll try lowering the power and see what happens. I'm not a great overclocker, I'm relatively new to the field.

I'm already hitting 82c, so I guess modifying the voltage is out of the window.

I got this from EVGA site about the 690's throttling with temps....
Everyone likes to keep the card below 70C by running a custom fan profile or a fixed fan speed via precision while gaming to keep the card from throttling
13MHz every 10C over 70C.
The card reduces it's clock speed by 13MHz @ 70C, 80C & 90C

On air I run with a mild overclock of +29 GPU, +86 Mem and +112 power.
My theory being that even if it tags 80 degrees it was still (just) faster that the stock boost clock.
On air I could not keep mine below 70 degrees while under 85% - 95% load - even with fans flat out.
Need water cooling !!!
post #4983 of 5564
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Originally Posted by fast_fate View Post

I got this from EVGA site about the 690's throttling with temps....
Everyone likes to keep the card below 70C by running a custom fan profile or a fixed fan speed via precision while gaming to keep the card from throttling
13MHz every 10C over 70C.
The card reduces it's clock speed by 13MHz @ 70C, 80C & 90C

On air I run with a mild overclock of +29 GPU, +86 Mem and +112 power.
My theory being that even if it tags 80 degrees it was still (just) faster that the stock boost clock.
On air I could not keep mine below 70 degrees while under 85% - 95% load - even with fans flat out.
Need water cooling !!!

The lowest mine has run, is 75c at stock.
But I got a 10fps boost with my overclock in Valley at 1080p, so I don't want to remove mine.

the GTX 690's time has passed already, I'll be selling up and buying something else in the next 6 months anyway. No point going custom cooling on it.

Thank you for all your help though, at least I know my card isn't faulty now, even though it runs so hot.
I may contact nVidia/Asus and see if I can get a replacement and claim it runs too hot at stock.
post #4984 of 5564
Have anyone tested the Twin Turbo 690? I'm thinking about installing it in my TJ08E but I'm afraid about the heat not getting vented out of the case? Thoughts?
post #4985 of 5564
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Originally Posted by Proxish View Post

The lowest mine has run, is 75c at stock.
But I got a 10fps boost with my overclock in Valley at 1080p, so I don't want to remove mine.

the GTX 690's time has passed already, I'll be selling up and buying something else in the next 6 months anyway. No point going custom cooling on it.

Thank you for all your help though, at least I know my card isn't faulty now, even though it runs so hot.
I may contact nVidia/Asus and see if I can get a replacement and claim it runs too hot at stock.

At this point no, probably not worth investing further. The card is still a beast running stock, so long as your not throttling from heat.

I started with getting the best performing TIM goop I could get, and that helped with about 1-1.5 degrees and a little more stability. From there I went water loop. Solid 30 degree heat under load, that's where you will get the big memory boosts and more GPU boost, but because the card is 2 GPU dies married up on a hardware bridge it quickly suffers from leakage and you start losing performance the further you push it. Finally I flashed the BIOS to 150% power, perceptually all I can see that did was give me more stability under load (eg. less drastic frame dipping) and a couple more Mhz on the GPU for benching, but not stable in gaming.

If you want the least investment that might actually give you a good return, buy some good TIM and clean the dies off and re-goop em. It's like 5-25$ investment.

I went water for the silence not the power, I was already aware ahead of time water cooling doesn't give a good performance return for the investment on the 690s. At this point I may go with 780ti-SLI and cannibalize my loop to support it. Or wait for next-gen in Q3-4 of 2014.

BF4 runs great (minus the games own instability issues) at 1440p ultra though so I can't really complain.
post #4986 of 5564
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Originally Posted by Tinman12 View Post

At this point no, probably not worth investing further. The card is still a beast running stock, so long as your not throttling from heat.

I started with getting the best performing TIM goop I could get, and that helped with about 1-1.5 degrees and a little more stability. From there I went water loop. Solid 30 degree heat under load, that's where you will get the big memory boosts and more GPU boost, but because the card is 2 GPU dies married up on a hardware bridge it quickly suffers from leakage and you start losing performance the further you push it. Finally I flashed the BIOS to 150% power, perceptually all I can see that did was give me more stability under load (eg. less drastic frame dipping) and a couple more Mhz on the GPU for benching, but not stable in gaming.

If you want the least investment that might actually give you a good return, buy some good TIM and clean the dies off and re-goop em. It's like 5-25$ investment.

I went water for the silence not the power, I was already aware ahead of time water cooling doesn't give a good performance return for the investment on the 690s. At this point I may go with 780ti-SLI and cannibalize my loop to support it. Or wait for next-gen in Q3-4 of 2014.

BF4 runs great (minus the games own instability issues) at 1440p ultra though so I can't really complain.

Thank you for all the information.
One question I have is how do I know if the GPU is throttling? No ones ever really explained that to me.

I didn't realise that the next gen was coming out in only a year.
I was thinking along the same lines as yourself, 780ti SLi, but I'd have to wait a while before I could afford the second one.

EDIT: I already have good TIM kicking about here somewhere, but I'd be nervous replacing it and does that not void warranty?
Edited by Proxish - 11/4/13 at 10:57am
post #4987 of 5564
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Originally Posted by Proxish View Post

Thank you for all the information.
One question I have is how do I know if the GPU is throttling? No ones ever really explained that to me.

I didn't realise that the next gen was coming out in only a year.
I was thinking along the same lines as yourself, 780ti SLi, but I'd have to wait a while before I could afford the second one.

EDIT: I already have good TIM kicking about here somewhere, but I'd be nervous replacing it and does that not void warranty?

Mine is EVGA and they cover warranty so long as you don't doing anything that cannot be "un"-done to the card, re-TIM should be fine.

On throttling; it's just easier for to point you at this thread: GTX 670 Overclock Master Guide The guy who put that post together put an enormous amount of work into it. He goes into kepler boosting and throttling. It's a great read.

If the leaked, questionably legit stuff that's been coming out is close to right, a single 780ti should OC on air and get about 98% of a 690's performance. If it ponies up to really be that, you could get 1 and be fine with it long enough to wait for a 2nd 780ti to come down in price. If I go the 780ti route I won't bother waiting since I will put them under water, so I'm in for a higher $ commit at that point.

The next gen stuff is already taped-out, it's the K40 "atlas" cards. They will start out as Tesla to get Nvidia the most R&D return by selling to subsidized markets (oil, gas, pharma, nuclear, etc) for top dollar, then into the Quadro line, and eventually will come out in the GTX 800 series. Markets are pretty fluid though, Q3 2014 could become 2015, depends on a lot of moving pieces out there. That's my speculation.

If I can play a game at 1440p maxed staying in the 60FPS wheelhouse I'll stay on my 690, if I'm dipping the mid-40's, I'll upgrade; that's pretty much my rule of thumb.

EDIT: re-TIMing your card can be a litle daunting, there's some good directions out on the web. Just have take your time on all steps, dis-assembly, cleaning all the contact points (I used nail acetone eg. nail polish remover and q-tips) very slowly and precisely, don't tear any of the heat pads, then re-apply TIM. less it more and I did the finger-in-saranwrap method to paint it on the GPUs and bridge chip.
Edited by Tinman12 - 11/4/13 at 1:58pm
post #4988 of 5564
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Originally Posted by Tinman12 View Post

Mine is EVGA and they cover warranty so long as you don't doing anything that cannot be "un"-done to the card, re-TIM should be fine.

On throttling; it's just easier for to point you at this thread: GTX 670 Overclock Master Guide The guy who put that post together put an enormous amount of work into it. He goes into kepler boosting and throttling. It's a great read.

If the leaked, questionably legit stuff that's been coming out is close to right, a single 780ti should OC on air and get about 98% of a 690's performance. If it ponies up to really be that, you could get 1 and be fine with it long enough to wait for a 2nd 780ti to come down in price. If I go the 780ti route I won't bother waiting since I will put them under water, so I'm in for a higher $ commit at that point.

The next gen stuff is already taped-out, it's the K40 "atlas" cards. They will start out as Tesla to get Nvidia the most R&D return by selling to subsidized markets (oil, gas, pharma, nuclear, etc) for top dollar, then into the Quadro line, and eventually will come out in the GTX 800 series. Markets are pretty fluid though, Q3 2014 could become 2015, depends on a lot of moving pieces out there. That's my speculation.

If I can play a game at 1440p maxed staying in the 60FPS wheelhouse I'll stay on my 690, if I'm dipping the mid-40's, I'll upgrade; that's pretty much my rule of thumb.

EDIT: re-TIMing your card can be a litle daunting, there's some good directions out on the web. Just have take your time on all steps, dis-assembly, cleaning all the contact points (I used nail acetone eg. nail polish remover and q-tips) very slowly and precisely, don't tear any of the heat pads, then re-apply TIM. less it more and I did the finger-in-saranwrap method to paint it on the GPUs and bridge chip.

Again, thanks for all the info.

I didn't realise the 780ti was coming so close in performance to the GTX 690, if that's the case, I'll definitely sell the one I have an upgrade to a GTX 780ti as soon as they get better coolers installed on them. I learnt my lesson from the cooler that came with the GT 690.

Let just hope the GTX 780ti comes close in price to the 290X, though I doubt it will.
post #4989 of 5564
I must say I haven't loved my 690 2560x1600 this much yet! Found its overclocking limit on battlefield 4 ultra everything! 1270mhz clock and 3500mhz memory runs everything it at 70+ frames. Adaptive vsync works so well it's so smooth
post #4990 of 5564
Hey guys,

So what settings are most of you running on Battlefield 4 at 1440p? I'm trying to find the sweet spot without hitting the VRAM limit. Is there anyway someone could post a screen shot of their video settings that they find to be the most fluid? Thanks thumb.gif
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