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Why cant people just say that their are advantages to both air and and clc, just like their or advantages to ford or chevy, or intel and amd.
As far as the leaks go, I've been reading on the corsair h series long before I bought the h50 and h80 and the chance for leaks seem to be about as good as being struck by ligntning. Does that mean I should stay indoors cause there is a "chance" it could happen?

Sure if you want to put it that way. There are definitely advantages to both and that cannot be ignored. I am just trying to give my best recommendation based on the OPs wants and constraints. For his budget, I'm trying to recommend an effective air cooler that meets his budget with considerations to performance/noise ratio. My response to G3RG is simply to prevent spreading of misinformation (intended or unintended).

As for leakage, it would be nice to have comprehensive data, but chances of leaks are still possible. Remember that the user can screw up while installing the unit. Not trying to doubt anyone but people do make mistakes and sometimes make embarrassing blunders. We should still be obligated to warm the potential buyer of potential problems with the product when we are recommending things. It is always easy to recommend a product since it isn't our money, but at least be honest since we aren't legally liable. Just forum etiquette.
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The technical facts from objective testing of both HSFs and CLCs are known by many and listed in this and other cooling threads. Some people do not care about the technical merits they just like one cooler type over the other. That is perfectly fine. It's their money and they do not need to justify their decision on what cooler makers them happy.

It is a disservice however to distort the facts to try and convince people they should buy what makes YOU happy. It's disingenuous to falsely claim that CLC water leaks are negligible when in fact this is untrue. They are very significant when they destroy hundreds of dollars of your PC hardware.

We do not know what the exact failure rate is from water leaks but we do know that people routinely report CLC leaks - the people that aren't too embarrassed or who have not been coerced to keep quiet with an offer of warranty replacement of their damaged PC hardware. We also know from objective testing that CLCs are thermally inefficient, a poor value and noisy compared to a highend HSF. These are technical facts.

The bottom line is a technically educated consumer should be able to make an informed buying decision based on the technical merits and subjective details that Matter to THEM. You may like a CLC because you believe water cooling is neat or better than a highend HSF - (which isn't necessarily true), but you're entitled to believe it any way and Buy What Makes YOU Happy. wink.gif

Other people may like a highend HSF because it's cool looking, thermally more efficient than a CLC and never leaks. Each person is free to Buy What Makes them Happy but PLEASE do not go around twisting the facts to try and convince people to buy the CPU cooler that makes YOU happy as this is deceptive and inappropriate.

As far as listing the technical Pros and Cons of both cooler designs - I've already done this numerous times in this thread. It is what it is. Buy What Makes YOU Happy!
Edited by AMD4ME - 4/30/12 at 7:47pm
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The technical facts from objective testing of both HSFs and CLCs are known by many and listed in this and other cooling threads. Some people do not care about the technical merits they just like one cooler type over the other. That is perfectly fine. It's their money and they do not need to justify their decision on what cooler makers them happy.
It is a disservice however to distort the facts to try and convince people they should buy what makes YOU happy. It's disingenuous to falsely claim that CLC water leaks are negligible when in fact this is untrue. They are very significant when they destroy hundreds of dollars of your PC hardware.
We do not know what the exact failure rate is from water leaks but we do know that people routinely report CLC leaks - the people that aren't too embarrassed or who have not been coerced to keep quiet with an offer of warranty replacement of their damaged PC hardware. We also know from objective testing that CLCs are thermally inefficient, a poor value and noisy compared to a highend HSF. These are facts.
The bottom line is a technically educated consumer should be able to make an informed buying decision based on the technical merits and subjective details that Matter to THEM. You may like a CLC because you believe water cooling is neat or better than a highend HSF - (which isn't necessarily true), but you're entitled to believe it any way. wink.gif
Other people may like a highend HSF because it's cool looking, thermally more efficient than a CLC and never leaks water. Each person is free to Buy What Makes them Happy but PLEASE do not go around twisting the facts to try and convince people to buy the CPU cooler that makes YOU happy as this is deceptive and inappropriate.
As far as listing the technical Pros and Cons of both cooler designs - I've already done this numerous times in this thread. It is what it is. Buy What Makes YOU Happy!

What makes me happy is a cooler that cost less than 90 bucks and cools within a degree or two of the best of them, regardless of "scientific data" on a very rare to almost nill chance of a leak. I think thats in the critieria of alot of people wanting a good cooler, wether clc or air.
How many clc's have you owned and leaked? are you going by experience or what youve studied on the net with your research. Nothing about how my H80 works is distorted. What is distorted is that I've looked at two different websites today, both comparing the havik 140 and how amazingly far off the test results are. Which one do I go by? More than likely I'm going to listen to someone that has expereince with a product, not just a random site, that throws it on a test bench, makes a graph or two and ends with a box full of spare comp parts. Real World Experience matters over the 1000+ test websites and 10,000+ youtube channels when it comes to buying a good computer part. Sure the test sites can help, but when theres a 10+ degree of temp variance over ambient on the same cooler, how much help is that?
I'm not partial to clc or air. I have 2 clc's and 3 air cooled comps in my office right now. As far as what I like, I LIKE WHAT WORKS. I have a ford and chevy sitting in my driveway, and an intel machine sitting right next to the amd machine I'm typing on.ohno-smiley02.gif
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Regarding air coolers vs CLCs:

The best CLC on the market right now is the Corsair H100.

So the H100 on its highest fan speed can match the Thermalright Silver Arrow, an air cooler that costs $30 less.
42197.png


But that's not the whole story. The H100 on its highest fan setting is almost 10 dB louder than the Silver Arrow.

42198.png

For those who are not familiar with decibel ratings, 10 decibels is equivalent to twice the perceived loudness. So, in order for the H100 to match the Silver Arrow, the H100's fans have to run much faster, and it is twice as loud.

And don't forget that we are talking about the BEST closed-loop system on the market. The H60 does not perform anywhere near as well as the H100.


My advice: unless you have some very specific requirements that require a closed-loop system (e.g. SFF case), get a high-end air cooler instead.

The Noctua NH-D14 and Thermalright Silver Arrow are excellent coolers, and both cost just a bit more than your $60 budget.

The Thermalright Venomous X and Prolimatech Megahalems also perform well, and are smaller than the two dual-tower coolers I mentioned above. With the right fans, they cam come close to the D14 and Silver Arrow, but they will be louder (though still not as loud as CLC systems).
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Sure if you want to put it that way. There are definitely advantages to both and that cannot be ignored. I am just trying to give my best recommendation based on the OPs wants and constraints. For his budget, I'm trying to recommend an effective air cooler that meets his budget with considerations to performance/noise ratio. My response to G3RG is simply to prevent spreading of misinformation (intended or unintended).
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I agree with what your saying, at the same point though, every company out there has had a bad product reach the consumer. If everyone had such worry and fear of buying a product, I doubt anyone would be driving a car from any manufacturer due to yearly recalls and not to mention tsb's that almost no one hears about. Say you go to a restuarant and get a bad steak, will that stop you from eating steak ever again?
Again, dont take this as being a fanboy to clc's as I am currently contemplating a havik 140 to replace my h80. I just dont have much to go on besides all this "scientific data" I keep hearing about in the air threads. After looking at all that "data", 2 weeks later I am still unsure of what kind of temp difference I will see over my h80, good or bad.
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Sure if you want to put it that way. There are definitely advantages to both and that cannot be ignored. I am just trying to give my best recommendation based on the OPs wants and constraints. For his budget, I'm trying to recommend an effective air cooler that meets his budget with considerations to performance/noise ratio. My response to G3RG is simply to prevent spreading of misinformation (intended or unintended).
As for leakage, it would be nice to have comprehensive data, but chances of leaks are still possible. Remember that the user can screw up while installing the unit. Not trying to doubt anyone but people do make mistakes and sometimes make embarrassing blunders. We should still be obligated to warm the potential buyer of potential problems with the product when we are recommending things. It is always easy to recommend a product since it isn't our money, but at least be honest since we aren't legally liable. Just forum etiquette.

I agree with what your saying, at the same point though, every company out there has had a bad product reach the consumer. If everyone had such worry and fear of buying a product, I doubt anyone would be driving a car from any manufacturer due to yearly recalls and not to mention tsb's that almost no one hears about. Say you go to a restuarant and get a bad steak, will that stop you from eating steak ever again?
Again, dont take this as being a fanboy to clc's as I am currently contemplating a havik 140 to replace my h80. I just dont have much to go on besides all this "scientific data" I keep hearing about in the air threads. After looking at all that "data", 2 weeks later I am still unsure of what kind of temp difference I will see over my h80, good or bad.

You have a Thor V2, which is quite a large case. Why get a mediocre air cooler (the Havik 140) for $60 when you can have the best (PH-TC14PE) for $4 more?

The Havik 140 isn't even close to the Phanteks, D14, or Silver Arrow:
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Phanteks deal:
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Regarding air coolers vs CLCs:
The best CLC on the market right now is the Corsair H100.
So the H100 on its highest fan speed can match the Thermalright Silver Arrow, an air cooler that costs $30 less.
42197.png
But that's not the whole story. The H100 on its highest fan setting is almost 10 dB louder than the Silver Arrow.
42198.png
For those who are not familiar with decibel ratings, 10 decibels is equivalent to twice the perceived loudness. So, in order for the H100 to match the Silver Arrow, the H100's fans have to run much faster, and it is twice as loud.
And don't forget that we are talking about the BEST closed-loop system on the market. The H60 does not perform anywhere near as well as the H100.
My advice: unless you have some very specific requirements that require a closed-loop system (e.g. SFF case), get a high-end air cooler instead.

The Noctua NH-D14 and Thermalright Silver Arrow are excellent coolers, and both cost just a bit more than your $60 budget.
The Thermalright Venomous X and Prolimatech Megahalems also perform well, and are smaller than the two dual-tower coolers I mentioned above. With the right fans, they cam come close to the D14 and Silver Arrow, but they will be louder (though still not as loud as CLC systems).
Edit: I just noticed that the Phanteks PH-TC14PE is $64 shipped right now from Directron with code "hard428d". It is the best air cooler on the market right now, and will easily beat an H100. (The H100 costs $40 more AND is much louder!)
http://www.directron.com/phtc14pe.html


So some people take sound into consideration when buying a cooler, and I'm more than willing to bet a good chunk of poeple on here also take looks into consideration......
and a cooler that will take up the whole window and then some of their sub to mid tower just wouldnt work even on the off chance that the phanteks would fit, for everyone. I know this is just opinion but I doubt I'm the only one.
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Regarding air coolers vs CLCs:
The best CLC on the market right now is the Corsair H100.
So the H100 on its highest fan speed can match the Thermalright Silver Arrow, an air cooler that costs $30 less.
42197.png
But that's not the whole story. The H100 on its highest fan setting is almost 10 dB louder than the Silver Arrow.
42198.png
For those who are not familiar with decibel ratings, 10 decibels is equivalent to twice the perceived loudness. So, in order for the H100 to match the Silver Arrow, the H100's fans have to run much faster, and it is twice as loud.
And don't forget that we are talking about the BEST closed-loop system on the market. The H60 does not perform anywhere near as well as the H100.
My advice: unless you have some very specific requirements that require a closed-loop system (e.g. SFF case), get a high-end air cooler instead.

The Noctua NH-D14 and Thermalright Silver Arrow are excellent coolers, and both cost just a bit more than your $60 budget.
The Thermalright Venomous X and Prolimatech Megahalems also perform well, and are smaller than the two dual-tower coolers I mentioned above. With the right fans, they cam come close to the D14 and Silver Arrow, but they will be louder (though still not as loud as CLC systems).
Edit: I just noticed that the Phanteks PH-TC14PE is $64 shipped right now from Directron with code "hard428d". It is the best air cooler on the market right now, and will easily beat an H100. (The H100 costs $40 more AND is much louder!)
http://www.directron.com/phtc14pe.html


So some people take sound into consideration when buying a cooler, and I'm more than willing to bet a good chunk of poeple on here also take looks into consideration......
and a cooler that will take up the whole window and then some of their sub to mid tower just wouldnt work even on the off chance that the phanteks would fit, for everyone. I know this is just opinion but I doubt I'm the only one.

First of all, most cases do not have windows. Even with a window, I think that super-coolers like the D14 and Phanteks look very nice.

Most cases midrange and up have absolutely no trouble fitting a dual-tower cooler. My Lian-Li A05 is the smallest ATX case out there and fits the D14 without any problems.

Even smaller cases like the Silverstone TJ08 have no problems fitting coolers like the D14:
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I've actually thought about the SA but wouldnt touch a phanteks. The SA is a looker along with being a great cooler, but I just want to be convinced that spending another 80 to 90 bucks on one, I would see a worthwhile temp difference over what I have.
Fan sound is meaningless to me, I have the pump setting on high and its as loud to me as my netbook gets. It would probably take filling the Thor with 10 deltas before I start to complain.
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