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4/29/12 at 12:29pm
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Did they seriously put the Netherlands in that list? Because that is absolute crockery, no way they've set up shop here for the tax advantage, because there isn't any whatsoever.

You don't know your legal and tax system very well then. Lots of european and american companies and eventually others, have some sort of legal presence in the Netherlands in order to pay less taxes.

For foreign countries it may very well be that way then, but as far as Dutch companies based in the Netherlands goes, they pay some of the highest taxes you could possibly think of.
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post #82 of 199
4/29/12 at 12:29pm
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A flat tax would place a disproportionate burden on the poor and middle class, as well as generating less revenue. The ultimate goal of the "Fair Tax" isn't to make taxes fair, but to eliminate the IRS. Once the IRS is gone, there will be no tax accountability whatsoever and they want it that way.

No it does not. Flat tax is where everyone is paying equal share of their money. Everyone gets to pay equal percentage. You don't get special treatment what so ever. In fact progressive tax in some way can be categorized as price discrimination. Moral value has nothing to do with tax efficiency.
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4/29/12 at 12:30pm
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Regan was a supreme hypocrite and 'Reganomics' was a total farce.
That said, the quote rings true...well except for the dubious grammar.
This doesn't contradict my statement at all.
Most people will never be in a position of power, so most will always be victimised by the system. However, if someone does attain the power needed to effect a change, they don't mess with the system because it's perfect for them.

It would contradict it if they all got there and sat pretty! Guess we'd never know wink.gif
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post #84 of 199
4/29/12 at 12:33pm
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581

You know, this says nothing about taxes...
There's nothing stopping people from having lower taxes and a properly regulated work environment.
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No more handouts. No more Tax holidays. No more Bailouts. No more ANYTHING.

I heartily agree that babying big business is very bad for society. However, all that Apple has done here is move a portion of their business from one place with high taxes to another with low taxes. If laws were in place to force them to pay the higher tax rate, they would move their entire operation to get lower taxes.
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post #85 of 199
4/29/12 at 12:36pm
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It would contradict it if they all got there and sat pretty! Guess we'd never know wink.gif

They can't all get there. Most people aren't all that successful and never will be.
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If laws were in place to force them to pay the higher tax rate, they would move their entire operation to get lower taxes.

Hence the argument for sales tax being the only tax. If every sale is taxed at the right rate, there need be no other taxes, and there would be no easy way around the sales tax other than not selling any product within the nation with the tax.
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4/29/12 at 12:44pm
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No it does not. Flat tax is where everyone is paying equal share of their money. Everyone gets to pay equal percentage. You don't get special treatment what so ever. In fact progressive tax in some way can be categorized as price discrimination. Moral value has nothing to do with tax efficiency.

That's why I said it places a burden on the poor. Say you're a single mom on a limited income of 18K a year. 10% of $18,000 is a lot of money that could otherwise be used for expenses and food. By contrast, 10% of $18 million is petty. The rich *would* receive special treatment, perhaps indirectly, because their income vastly extends beyond the cost of living or any other practical purpose.

Again, the goal is to eliminate the IRS. Every day is a tax holiday then.
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post #87 of 199
4/29/12 at 12:52pm
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That's why I said it places a burden on the poor. Say you're a single mom on a limited income of 18K a year. 10% of $18,000 is a lot of money that could otherwise be used for expenses and food. By contrast, 10% of $18 million is petty. The rich *would* receive special treatment, perhaps indirectly, because their income vastly extends beyond the cost of living or any other practical purpose.
Again, the goal is to eliminate the IRS. Every day is a tax holiday then.

Russia is using flat tax. They saw a 12% decrease on tax evasion ever since they adopted flat tax on 2001. They saw a 46% increase in revenue on the first year they used flat tax. You tell me which is better?

You argument is based on the fact that US needs loads of money for operation. If we cut out all those unnecessary spending we can keep our debt low.

US needs to switch over to flat tax and cut out unnecessary spending.
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4/29/12 at 12:55pm
Thanks for the explanation(s) guys. I can honestly say I do not agree with it though. This is coming from someone that is very much middle class if not lower-middle class. I understand why they try to tax the more profitable companies/individuals more, but I do not think it is right, morally at least. Just because someone can live comfortable with a higher tax rate doesn't mean they should have to. It will probably never affect me, but I always try to put myself in others shoes when thinking about things such as this. The more profitable entities should be subjected to same tax rates as anyone else in my opinion. It almost seems like it would discourage growth. I'm speaking strictly from a moral/what's fair standpoint though. A flat tax rate may be completely insane economically for the country as a whole, but flat out isn't fair the way it is now.
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4/29/12 at 12:57pm
so much socialism in this thread. :/
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4/29/12 at 12:58pm
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They can't all get there. Most people aren't all that successful and never will be.

I can't describe how hilarious it is that you actually thought that needed to be posted. Erm....thanks for the pointer wink.gif
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