Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › New watercooling setup, cpu now is hotter.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

New watercooling setup, cpu now is hotter. - Page 5

post #41 of 69
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by emeianoite View Post

VGA has a higher heat tolerance, I would put them last, so I would do pump -> 240 -> cpu -> 360 -> vga -> vga -> res -> REPEAT, while you redo the loop, I would also check and make sure everything is properly seated and reapply thermal paste. Nothing wrong with a good clean.
Don't have a loop mess though biggrin.gif if you can help it. those rads should keep everything in decent temperatures. It's odd you'd have bad temps. Like I said, it's probably seating, or the thermal pads are too thick or what not, sometimes it's something stupid. A long vertical RES would help a little, heat rises.

I will try this config.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ramenbuoy View Post

Pretty much everything that has been mentioned is relevant, however, here's my opinion:
Did you rinse out the radiators before hand? Many people just use hot water to get the gunk out.
Did you re-seat the CPU block?
Make sure piping doesn't have any kinks in it.
Finally, you may want to use a push/pull configuration. Those rads are pretty beefy.

CPU has been re-set.
I did not rinse out the rads, wasn't aware that needed to be done.
There is a push pull on one of the rads, but not the other, i will set them both up accordingly.
post #42 of 69
Yeah I figured you had fresh air coming in from at least some other fans because that case has an extreme number of fans.

Even if it's not the only air the top radiator gets, all of it's air will be affected by the heat being put off by the radiator in the bottom.

So the temperature of the loop is going to affect the ambient temperature in the case, that will in turn effect the temperature of the loop...... the outside air is going to help, but unless you had an exhaust pulling that hot loop air out before the top exhaust radiator this will always effect your temperatures, climbing the longer you run the rig.
Ginormous M-ITX
(11 items)
 
Girlfriend's Rig
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k Asrock Z77E-ITX AMD Radeon HD 7970 ASUS DC2T Samsung Green DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingMonitor
Patriot Pyro Hitachi - 2.5" Custom Loop - made from 2 Thermaltake Water 2.0... Auria 27" 1440P 
PowerCaseMouse
PC Power and Cooling 600W Modular Bitfenix Prodigy Microsoft Sidewinder 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
intel g850 MSI P67s c43 EVGA Geforce GTX 480 G skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Patriot Pyro LG DVD Antec 620 7 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
KDS 22" k120 logitech Antec Neo Eco 520W Azza Triton 401 
Mouse
Sidewinder X8 
  hide details  
Reply
Ginormous M-ITX
(11 items)
 
Girlfriend's Rig
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k Asrock Z77E-ITX AMD Radeon HD 7970 ASUS DC2T Samsung Green DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingMonitor
Patriot Pyro Hitachi - 2.5" Custom Loop - made from 2 Thermaltake Water 2.0... Auria 27" 1440P 
PowerCaseMouse
PC Power and Cooling 600W Modular Bitfenix Prodigy Microsoft Sidewinder 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
intel g850 MSI P67s c43 EVGA Geforce GTX 480 G skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Patriot Pyro LG DVD Antec 620 7 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
KDS 22" k120 logitech Antec Neo Eco 520W Azza Triton 401 
Mouse
Sidewinder X8 
  hide details  
Reply
post #43 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by coryjac0b View Post

I re-set the tubing block, still the same temps. I kicked the CPU back down to stock clock speed and the temp stays around 55. Which is still high.
I ordered the pump/res combo with the anticipation of it needing to be replaced. i will clean up the tubing also for efficiency.

Ok, so it seems your mount is ok. Tubing is the next step imo, don't worry too much about loop order the waters temp difference between the various components doesn't change much. But if you want the best CPU temps possible try get your CPU before the VGA cards, though this doesn't matter much.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Subcutaneous View Post

So after peeking at the pictures a lot of ideas popped into my head.
First off those are some thick radiators, and a push-pull fan setup would greatly increase their efficiency because of the pressure needed for such a thick radiator.
Secondly you have your intake coming through a radiator, heating the air that is then going to cool your second radiator......(exhaust)
This is why your temperature continues to slowly rise, because the "ambient" air supplied to the top radiator is always getting a bit warmer as the top radiator heats up.....
It's a cyclic pattern going on making it harder for it to really stabilize at a peak temperature. Whatever the current fluid temperature is becomes(or affects at least) the ambient temperature the top rad experiences, and it can only cool to above ambient so loop continues to heat itself up.

This probably doesn't help, but I'm not sure how much of an impact it will have as he does have cooler air from outside the case being mixed into that warmer air coming out of the rad. I'm buying this case very soon myself, and will have RX360 in the roof and RX240 in the bottom, may have a lot of testing to do, see how many temp sensors I can whack in there try find out whats going so I can better advise in the future.
Quote:
Originally Posted by emeianoite View Post

I would personally change the loop order, 2 hot VGA cards will pump alot of heat, I would add the 360 prior to the VGA's then hit the 240 before CPU. Then we could trouble shoot. As long as it makes sense. RX rads need either 38mm fans, or 25mm push pull.

I don't think this matter a huge amount, like I said earlier the water temperature won't increase much going from block to block. The water hitting his CPU after its been through both his GPUs will be about 2C warmer, so by switching it round CPU first then GPUs his CPU will be 2C cooler, not a massive impact on temps, and thats pretty much only when his GPUs are fully loaded.
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
post #44 of 69
Thread Starter 
Idle temps right now are at 34 on the CPU, and 31, and 33 on the GPUS.

I will have time this evening to change the configuration and add 2 more fans on the bottom rad. Then i can test it a little more.
post #45 of 69
Any update matey?
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
post #46 of 69
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt26LFC View Post

Any update matey?


None ATM, I will get a chance to re-plumb and install new pump this weekend. I'll post results as soon as i do that.


Thanks.
post #47 of 69
Hmph.

My old build was:

Reservoir
Pump
360 Rad
360 Rad
CPU
GPU
GPU
Reservoir

My CPU temps were consistently cooler than my GPU, and that's overclocked to 4.4 GHz at about 20C idle, 50C MAX load. GPU temps were about 30C idle, 55C load.

Could be the second 360 radiator?

I did a little test at one point. I don't have any charts since I'm at work but here were my results:

All fans off
Average temps: 80C
Pump off
Average temps: 90C
Radiator fans off
Average temps: 70C
Case fans off
Average temps: 65C

Moral of the story is that fans definitely have an impact on your temps. It makes me so angry when I see people say "Yeah, you don't need to get a fan like that, it will change your temps maybe by 1C..." or "Those waterblocks are an extra $100, get these ones, they work just as well, maybe 2-3C worse."

In the long run, those degrees will add up if you skimp out. The real question that should be asked is if it's worth it for you to actually get the temps lower. What benefit will you gain? I still can't answer this except a nice, cool, fully-functional and powerful computer. However, nobody has proven that it wouldn't perform just as well on air. I can guarantee it won't last nearly as long though. wink.gif
Edited by xyeLz - 5/3/12 at 1:06pm
post #48 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by xyeLz View Post

Hmph.
My old build was:
Reservoir
Pump
360 Rad
360 Rad
CPU
GPU
GPU
Reservoir
My CPU temps were consistently cooler than my GPU, and that's overclocked to 4.4 GHz at about 20C idle, 50C MAX load. GPU temps were about 30C idle, 55C load.
Could be the second 360 radiator?
I did a little test at one point. I don't have any charts since I'm at work but here were my results:
All fans off
Average temps: 80C
Pump off
Average temps: 90C
Radiator fans off
Average temps: 70C
Case fans off
Average temps: 65C
Moral of the story is that fans definitely have an impact on your temps. It makes me so angry when I see people say "Yeah, you don't need to get a fan like that, it will change your temps maybe by 1C..." or "Those waterblocks are an extra $100, get these ones, they work just as well, maybe 2-3C worse."
In the long run, those degrees will add up if you skimp out. The real question that should be asked is if it's worth it for you to actually get the temps lower. What benefit will you gain? I still can't answer this except a nice, cool, fully-functional and powerful computer. However, nobody has proven that it wouldn't perform just as well on air. I can guarantee it won't last nearly as long though. wink.gif

The OPs issue is he went from an Air Cooler to WC and his CPU temps went up, thats what we're trying to figure out here
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
post #49 of 69
Thread Starter 
Installed the new pump and res. I re-plumbed the loop so it now goes, Pump/Res> CPU>360 RAD> Gpu> Gpu> 240 Rad> Back to the res

Bleeding it of air was a pain, but i finally got it all out. I will have time later to test to see if it helped any.


edit:

Just started up BF3 to test the CPU temps, and i don't think my problem is resolved.

The temp on cpu after just 10 minutes was 68c.

I'm puzzled as to what the problem could be now.
Edited by coryjac0b - 5/5/12 at 1:23pm
post #50 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by coryjac0b View Post

Installed the new pump and res. I re-plumbed the loop so it now goes, Pump/Res> CPU>360 RAD> Gpu> Gpu> 240 Rad> Back to the res
Bleeding it of air was a pain, but i finally got it all out. I will have time later to test to see if it helped any.
edit:
Just started up BF3 to test the CPU temps, and i don't think my problem is resolved.
The temp on cpu after just 10 minutes was 68c.
I'm puzzled as to what the problem could be now.

I can't really think of much else now, only thing I can think of is perhaps your CPU block is gunked up with something? You may need to take it apart to clean it, did you flush your rads before use? My XSPC RX360 had a lot of flux in it, had to clean my block also.

Whats your ambient temps? I assume this 68C is also with the Overclock?
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
My Gaming Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K Z97X-SOC Force MSI GTX 1070 FE G.Skill TridentX 2400Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
2 Crucial M4 256GB XSPC RX360 + RX240 + RX120 XSPC Raystorm EK 1070FE WB 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 10 64 Qnix QX2710 96Hz CM Storm Rapid Coolermaster V Series 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NZXT Switch 810 Mionix Mionix Onboard Sound / HD449s 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › New watercooling setup, cpu now is hotter.