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post #2151 of 6274
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Before you De-lid see how high you can OC and if those Temps are comfortable with you.
Lots of guys who have De-lid their chips are saying that their OC ceiling strangely drops once they remove the IHS. As in you get lower temperatures but you cannot overclock as high.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1247869/official-the-ivy-bridge-stable-suicide-club-guides-voltages-temps-bios-templates-inc-spreadsheet/1150#post_17490565
Very strange, ya.
Remember that Prime and benches that run the AVX instruction set will cook IVy, but games and every day stuff, including encoding, will be 20'c cooler.

If a user never plans to do any extreme overclocking or sub-zero cooling, de-lidding looks like it does give lower temps with an average overclock.
But if someone does want to try extreme overclocking on their chip in the future, so far looks like 7 out of 8 extreme coolers have found de-lidding instantly drops their previous max clocks by a couple hundred Mhz.

Has anyone tested this theory in opposite order? Seems most are getting their max overclock (and possibly causing damage) and then they're delidding and getting a lower clock. Has someone delid and ran with no IHS first, and then put that back on to see if the overclock does in fact go up?
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Has anyone tested this theory in opposite order? Seems most are getting their max overclock (and possibly causing damage) and then they're delidding and getting a lower clock. Has someone delid and ran with no IHS first, and then put that back on to see if the overclock does in fact go up?

Impossible to say for sure that there is no degrading/damage going on, but that really isn't likely, at least a couple of the guys who tried it really know their stuff. If splave or T0lsty figure it was delidding alone that caused it, I tend to believe them.
    
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Has anyone tested this theory in opposite order? Seems most are getting their max overclock (and possibly causing damage) and then they're delidding and getting a lower clock. Has someone delid and ran with no IHS first, and then put that back on to see if the overclock does in fact go up?

Impossible to say for sure that there is no degrading/damage going on, but that really isn't likely, at least a couple of the guys who tried it really know their stuff. If splave or T0lsty figure it was delidding alone that caused it, I tend to believe them.

Oh, I'm not doubting the expertise of the clockers. It was more so just to eliminate the other causes via opposite order.
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Oh, I'm not doubting the expertise of the clockers. It was more so just to eliminate the other causes via opposite order.

That wouldn't really work though, if you don't know the max it is capable of first, can't tell if it changes with delidding. They were trying different tim under the IHS, & tried gluing the IHS back on to see if it made a difference. It didn't help.

This is the thread, doesn't look like anyone else is trying it lately. http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=47539 1 was successful at getting a better OC, the rest were not.
    
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I couldn't even run 4.8 with IHS and stock paste and now I'm rocking on 4.9/HT 24/7 with 78C max on the hottest core in Prime 27.7 thumb.gif
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Why I like phase cooling, even easier yet, I was running IBT on a 3770k I was mad at at 5.2Ghz a couple pages back & didn't hit 0°, with stock IHS.
I do shut it down when not using it & it takes a few minutes to get down to temp before booting up, then have to leave it for a while after shutting down again. Not sure if it would count as 24/7.
    
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If a user never plans to do any extreme overclocking or sub-zero cooling, de-lidding looks like it does give lower temps with an average overclock.
But if someone does want to try extreme overclocking on their chip in the future, so far looks like 7 out of 8 extreme coolers have found de-lidding instantly drops their previous max clocks by a couple hundred Mhz.

What about those who are changing tim and replacing the spreader?

Is the loss of headroom with those using no heat spreader, or after replacing it?
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Looks like bare die or replacing the tim & IHS made no difference, once the IHS & stock tim were removed, max OC decreased. At least one tried gluing the IHS back on to see if that made any difference after just placing it on, & it didn't.
I really don't get why clocks go down after popping the IHS either, intel has some strange magical sub-zero loving TIM that hates air & water.
    
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Looks like bare die or replacing the tim & IHS made no difference, once the IHS & stock tim were removed, max OC decreased. At least one tried gluing the IHS back on to see if that made any difference after just placing it on, & it didn't.
I really don't get why clocks go down after popping the IHS either, intel has some strange magical sub-zero loving TIM that hates air & water.

It is possible they apply the tim and glue / cure in an inert gas environment, also due to loss of compression on the ihs.

I am guessing the metal deforms slightly from the heat, and when the glue is popped it deforms.

I would love to see someone make a copper ihs replacement and see how the temps go, or machine a custom block that can fit inside the window
of the retention mechanism.

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I would love to see someone make a copper ihs replacement and see how the temps go, or machine a custom block that can fit inside the window
of the retention mechanism.
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This would be really interesting if someone did this.
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