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Poll Results: Which Ivy Bridge CPU did you buy?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 50% of voters (692)
    i5 3570k
  • 43% of voters (586)
    i7 3770k
  • 6% of voters (91)
    Other
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Don't wanna talk trash, I didn't stress test 4.5ghz extensively cause I went for the maximum oc I could get on air first, and then tried lower ocs that wouldn't differ much in ppd for folding purposes with lower vcore.

same here..lol
the 1.235V vcore for 4.5ghz, was from before delid,
only could do 4.4-4.5ghz, after delid i went for 4.8-4.9ghz,

would be nice to make some kind of comparison for others,
if they ask if their chip is worth delidding or not, like i said,
most ivy's can run 4.5ghz, and most cant run it on auto vcore,
4.3ghz auto vcore was my max, could run 4.4ghz, but it started to crash..

i only say, if a ivy runs 4.5ghz at low vcore, 1.25V or even below 1.2V vcore,
it prolly is a good one to oc higher with still good/low vcore..

maybe im totally wrong trying to collect some data about it smile.gif
have to wait and see right .. more input, more input.......

did i say, Happy New Year.. already biggrin.gif
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@Belial - Obviously you don't value anyone else's opinion and you've already decided you want a used last generation board. So just get one and quit asking us questions. We all told you potential problems. I'm sorry I didn't take photos of random blue screens and quirks in my BIOS after installing an Ivy chip in my Z68. I've worked on a dozen socket 1155 motherboards in the past year and I'm telling you from personal experience. Just buy your two year old motherboard and have fun.

Can you be a bit more specific? You just said your z68 maximus gene 4 'was a little buggy'. You didn't say it was blue screens and quirks. I should have asked you to be more specific, so, please, be more specific. What does 'little buggy' mean? Is it something you can shrug off, or is it debilitating?

If you could be a little more in-depth, I could understand. Saying "it was a little buggy on a single z68' doesn't really convey me to that z68 is just a terrible idea for half the price.
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I agree, we gave him our thoughts on the matter. We have also given him statements that are widely accepted by overclockers and yet, he doesn't want to accept them. It's like trying to explain why Ivy runs faster than Sandy in regards to his fight against us saying that Z77 overclocks better and performs better.

@Belial, if you have already made your mind, please do not hound us for answers! We have given you OUR input, we are not forcing something onto you! If you think going for a Z68 board is better than going for a Z77, by all means, go for that board. We are giving you our view on the matter, just like you asked, but we will not continue to entertain your questions if all you are going to do is find something wrong with our answer and just fight it!

Not really. I haven't seen anything linked or stated on how z77 runs ivb better than z68. You've just said general, vague comments, nothing specific - no specific problems, no specific z68 motherboards. You've, so far, just made unsubstantiated claims.

I have no problems and am not trying to be difficult, but so far it doesn't even sound like you guys know what you are talking about - and i know you guys do. So far the best I've really gotten is "The 3770k isn't too far away in price from that so consider that. And I would highly recommend you to invest in a better board. If you plan to keep this build for quite a while, I recommend you getting at least a Maximus V Gene or something in that quality. You can OC it better and it will last much longer."

And I've already said my needs will not change in at least 5+ years, so I do not need a 'future proofed' board, also, I think the concept of future proof is terrible. The i5-3570k is already way more power than I need, the phenom ii I currently have is more than enough power (I'm replacing, not upgrading). Nothing in this comment hasn't really said what's wrong, specifically, with z68 or p67.

It sounds like a few of you guys know, specifically, on this exact topic, with first hand experience on z68 and p67 on IVB. I'm asking if you could please elaborate on those experiences, instead of simply saying "little buggy on unnamed z68 boards".

Also, I think blanket comments like "z68 is worse than z77" i think is a little extreme (features aside), I mean the chipsets are very similar, z77 is basically a shipped out z68 with a newer bios already installed. I mean I know everything was buggy on p67/z68 when ivy first came out, but gigabyte and asus already have had out a couple new bioses since, so I'd like to differentiate between your problems because of an old bios, and your problems with the actual motherboard.
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Not really. I haven't seen anything linked or stated on how z77 runs ivb better than z68. You've just said general, vague comments, nothing specific - no specific problems, no specific z68 motherboards. You've, so far, just made unsubstantiated claims.
I have no problems and am not trying to be difficult, but so far it doesn't even sound like you guys know what you are talking about - and i know you guys do. So far the best I've really gotten is "The 3770k isn't too far away in price from that so consider that. And I would highly recommend you to invest in a better board. If you plan to keep this build for quite a while, I recommend you getting at least a Maximus V Gene or something in that quality. You can OC it better and it will last much longer."
And I've already said my needs will not change in at least 5+ years, so I do not need a 'future proofed' board, also, I think the concept of future proof is terrible. The i5-3570k is already way more power than I need, the phenom ii I currently have is more than enough power (I'm replacing, not upgrading). Nothing in this comment hasn't really said what's wrong, specifically, with z68 or p67.
It sounds like a few of you guys know, specifically, on this exact topic, with first hand experience on z68 and p67 on IVB. I'm asking if you could please elaborate on those experiences, instead of simply saying "little buggy on unnamed z68 boards".
Also, I think blanket comments like "z68 is worse than z77" i think is a little extreme (features aside), I mean the chipsets are very similar, z77 is basically a shipped out z68 with a newer bios already installed. I mean I know everything was buggy on p67/z68 when ivy first came out, but gigabyte and asus already have had out a couple new bioses since, so I'd like to differentiate between your problems because of an old bios, and your problems with the actual motherboard.

In a way you have a good point... I have a Z68 Maximus 4 Extreme-Z & in a few days I'll have a Maximus V Extreme. The differences between the two are more options in the UEFI, ROG Exchange, USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0, Thunderbolt, Lucid, Asus Software Packages, & Performance. Yes I said Performance.

I installed my 3770K in my MIVE-Z & my stock run with two 670's installed running 3dmark installed went up nearly 600 points, In heaven I gained nearly 4FPS. I use Convert X to DVD to encode a movie here & there. 3770K @ 4.6GHz is quicker then my 2600K @ 4.9 Ghz by 19 seconds encoding the same movie. I decided then to opt for a Z77 board. I got good feedback from a thread I made & I pretty much went with what users suggested.

It also can down to... Do I want the latest technology, answer is yes. Another thing to really look @. Z68 & Z77 prices aren't really that far apart in prices. Most I've seen the jump by is $25. Lucid is much, much better on Z77 than Z68 & with the last three games I bought. I know it will help out a lot. OH yeah they have more features like the way the Bios is flashed back too. With my MIVE-Z I would have to go in the bios & do it with a USB. Now You just stick it in the ROG Connect & it does it without memory or CPU installed. I'm sure other Z77 boards are similar.



HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU GUYS & MAY YOUR 2013 BE ALL THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE!
 
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i envy this guy for having a 3570K @ 4.5GHz on stock volts!


mine needs 1.248V to be able to boot into windows and bench a little. not even sure if its going to be prime95 stable frown.gif
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Can you be a bit more specific? You just said your z68 maximus gene 4 'was a little buggy'. You didn't say it was blue screens and quirks. I should have asked you to be more specific, so, please, be more specific. What does 'little buggy' mean? Is it something you can shrug off, or is it debilitating?
If you could be a little more in-depth, I could understand. Saying "it was a little buggy on a single z68' doesn't really convey me to that z68 is just a terrible idea for half the price.
Not really. I haven't seen anything linked or stated on how z77 runs ivb better than z68. You've just said general, vague comments, nothing specific - no specific problems, no specific z68 motherboards. You've, so far, just made unsubstantiated claims.
I have no problems and am not trying to be difficult, but so far it doesn't even sound like you guys know what you are talking about - and i know you guys do. So far the best I've really gotten is "The 3770k isn't too far away in price from that so consider that. And I would highly recommend you to invest in a better board. If you plan to keep this build for quite a while, I recommend you getting at least a Maximus V Gene or something in that quality. You can OC it better and it will last much longer."
And I've already said my needs will not change in at least 5+ years, so I do not need a 'future proofed' board, also, I think the concept of future proof is terrible. The i5-3570k is already way more power than I need, the phenom ii I currently have is more than enough power (I'm replacing, not upgrading). Nothing in this comment hasn't really said what's wrong, specifically, with z68 or p67.
It sounds like a few of you guys know, specifically, on this exact topic, with first hand experience on z68 and p67 on IVB. I'm asking if you could please elaborate on those experiences, instead of simply saying "little buggy on unnamed z68 boards".
Also, I think blanket comments like "z68 is worse than z77" i think is a little extreme (features aside), I mean the chipsets are very similar, z77 is basically a shipped out z68 with a newer bios already installed. I mean I know everything was buggy on p67/z68 when ivy first came out, but gigabyte and asus already have had out a couple new bioses since, so I'd like to differentiate between your problems because of an old bios, and your problems with the actual motherboard.

I know for a fact the p67/z68 Maximus IV Gene-z overclocks IB fine, yet it has some problems with ram overclocking at times, clocking them lower than its z77 equivalent.
Some other boards you get a limited multiplier choice, like max of 39x (for example the non rog p67 Asus and Gigabyte boards).
I wouldn't risk it, rather stay with a z77 board. OC Formula is solid, but eatx, z77x-up5-msi mpower-asus mvg-z77x-ud5h/ud3h are all solid mid range boards (price-wise)
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i envy this guy for having a 3570K @ 4.5GHz on stock volts!mine needs 1.248V to be able to boot into windows and bench a little. not even sure if its going to be prime95 stable frown.gif



Now that is a really good chip! It's some good IVY chips out there. I really understand the term the Silicon Lottery now. A Year ago I knew hardly nothing & the guys here taught me a lot.
 
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I know for a fact the p67/z68 Maximus IV Gene-z overclocks IB fine, yet it has some problems with ram overclocking at times, clocking them lower than its z77 equivalent.
Some other boards you get a limited multiplier choice, like max of 39x (for example the non rog p67 Asus and Gigabyte boards).
I wouldn't risk it, rather stay with a z77 board. OC Formula is solid, but eatx, z77x-up5-msi mpower-asus mvg-z77x-ud5h/ud3h are all solid mid range boards (price-wise)

You made a good point, I can't clock my Ram with the 3770K installed on the MIVE-Z. I tried, volts & timings. It just boots up & shuts off (Bootloops)
 
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Not really. I haven't seen anything linked or stated on how z77 runs ivb better than z68. You've just said general, vague comments, nothing specific - no specific problems, no specific z68 motherboards. You've, so far, just made unsubstantiated claims.
I have no problems and am not trying to be difficult, but so far it doesn't even sound like you guys know what you are talking about - and i know you guys do. So far the best I've really gotten is "The 3770k isn't too far away in price from that so consider that. And I would highly recommend you to invest in a better board. If you plan to keep this build for quite a while, I recommend you getting at least a Maximus V Gene or something in that quality. You can OC it better and it will last much longer."
And I've already said my needs will not change in at least 5+ years, so I do not need a 'future proofed' board, also, I think the concept of future proof is terrible. The i5-3570k is already way more power than I need, the phenom ii I currently have is more than enough power (I'm replacing, not upgrading). Nothing in this comment hasn't really said what's wrong, specifically, with z68 or p67.
It sounds like a few of you guys know, specifically, on this exact topic, with first hand experience on z68 and p67 on IVB. I'm asking if you could please elaborate on those experiences, instead of simply saying "little buggy on unnamed z68 boards".
Also, I think blanket comments like "z68 is worse than z77" i think is a little extreme (features aside), I mean the chipsets are very similar, z77 is basically a shipped out z68 with a newer bios already installed. I mean I know everything was buggy on p67/z68 when ivy first came out, but gigabyte and asus already have had out a couple new bioses since, so I'd like to differentiate between your problems because of an old bios, and your problems with the actual motherboard.

In a way you have a good point... I have a Z68 Maximus 4 Extreme-Z & in a few days I'll have a Maximus V Extreme. The differences between the two are more options in the UEFI, ROG Exchange, USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0, Thunderbolt, Lucid, Asus Software Packages, & Performance. Yes I said Performance.

I installed my 3770K in my MIVE-Z & my stock run with two 670's installed running 3dmark installed went up nearly 600 points, In heaven I gained nearly 4FPS. I use Convert X to DVD to encode a movie here & there. 3770K @ 4.6GHz is quicker then my 2600K @ 4.9 Ghz by 19 seconds encoding the same movie. I decided then to opt for a Z77 board. I got good feedback from a thread I made & I pretty much went with what users suggested.

It also can down to... Do I want the latest technology, answer is yes. Another thing to really look @. Z68 & Z77 prices aren't really that far apart in prices. Most I've seen the jump by is $25. Lucid is much, much better on Z77 than Z68 & with the last three games I bought. I know it will help out a lot. OH yeah they have more features like the way the Bios is flashed back too. With my MIVE-Z I would have to go in the bios & do it with a USB. Now You just stick it in the ROG Connect & it does it without memory or CPU installed. I'm sure other Z77 boards are similar.



HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU GUYS & MAY YOUR 2013 BE ALL THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE!

The issue of Bios flash is just convenience, but I'm not flashing the bios that often, you usually just stick with what works anyways. I don't think it's worth anything to have a bios flashback feature, unless maybe cpu-less flash or ib flash on a p67/z68 if anything, but not for much.

I do think your right that z77 doesnt tend to be much more expensive, but sometimes you just find deals on used p67/z68 that is a good 20-50+ cheaper than z77, i think. It tends to be really high quality p67/Z68 going for prices a little less or equal to decent z77s.

You say performance but I'm a bit confused... your z68 maximus 4 extreme-z is better performer than....?

Also, in regards to latest technology... for me the answer is no. sata 3, usb 3, pci 3, i dont need any of these features. I'm going to be using a sata 2 ssd, pci 2.0 gtx 460, i dont use external drives or anything like that often. 40gb of hdd space usage in 2 years, and no plans to change that in the coming years. Not to mention such features aren't even noticeable anyways, or even significant even in synthetic benches. If anything, I'd upgrade to a 660ti in 4+ years, not 3x680s.

Lucid Virtu, as I understand it, is crap, and is just about saving energy, not performance. Dont care. If you could explain how lucid virtu has been helpful to you, maybe that'd be more informative, maybe I'm wrong on lucid, but from what I've seen it's crap and hard to make work and is on z68 anyways.

I'm a budget buyer, so I think your confusing some of the stuff I do. I just stream + game, and i ONLY stream + game starcraft 2. I will not be playing the best and newest games, and have no plans to. I will be playing only sc2 for about the next 5+ years.

In fact, my Phenom ii x4 is MORE than powerful enough for my needs, it does everything I want very very smoothly, ie hd x264 encoding and game capture. I'm just replacing my build, not upgrading. I got a bunch of spare pc components so i can basically sell my amd system for more than it'd cost me to upgrade (obviously, opportunity cost aside, i mean i could list some of these coolers and gpu's and hdd's for sale so im essentially 'paying' $500+ but you get what i mean).
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Can you be a bit more specific? You just said your z68 maximus gene 4 'was a little buggy'. You didn't say it was blue screens and quirks. I should have asked you to be more specific, so, please, be more specific. What does 'little buggy' mean? Is it something you can shrug off, or is it debilitating?
If you could be a little more in-depth, I could understand. Saying "it was a little buggy on a single z68' doesn't really convey me to that z68 is just a terrible idea for half the price.
Not really. I haven't seen anything linked or stated on how z77 runs ivb better than z68. You've just said general, vague comments, nothing specific - no specific problems, no specific z68 motherboards. You've, so far, just made unsubstantiated claims.
I have no problems and am not trying to be difficult, but so far it doesn't even sound like you guys know what you are talking about - and i know you guys do. So far the best I've really gotten is "The 3770k isn't too far away in price from that so consider that. And I would highly recommend you to invest in a better board. If you plan to keep this build for quite a while, I recommend you getting at least a Maximus V Gene or something in that quality. You can OC it better and it will last much longer."
And I've already said my needs will not change in at least 5+ years, so I do not need a 'future proofed' board, also, I think the concept of future proof is terrible. The i5-3570k is already way more power than I need, the phenom ii I currently have is more than enough power (I'm replacing, not upgrading). Nothing in this comment hasn't really said what's wrong, specifically, with z68 or p67.
It sounds like a few of you guys know, specifically, on this exact topic, with first hand experience on z68 and p67 on IVB. I'm asking if you could please elaborate on those experiences, instead of simply saying "little buggy on unnamed z68 boards".
Also, I think blanket comments like "z68 is worse than z77" i think is a little extreme (features aside), I mean the chipsets are very similar, z77 is basically a shipped out z68 with a newer bios already installed. I mean I know everything was buggy on p67/z68 when ivy first came out, but gigabyte and asus already have had out a couple new bioses since, so I'd like to differentiate between your problems because of an old bios, and your problems with the actual motherboard.

I know for a fact the p67/z68 Maximus IV Gene-z overclocks IB fine, yet it has some problems with ram overclocking at times, clocking them lower than its z77 equivalent.
Some other boards you get a limited multiplier choice, like max of 39x (for example the non rog p67 Asus and Gigabyte boards).
I wouldn't risk it, rather stay with a z77 board. OC Formula is solid, but eatx, z77x-up5-msi mpower-asus mvg-z77x-ud5h/ud3h are all solid mid range boards (price-wise)

Well I'll be using just 1.5v CL9 ram, so that isn't a big issue, but I'll look more into this, thanks for the specifics.

The max of 39x, I believe that's a bios issue with gigabyte boards, and I believe it's been fixed. GA released a statement when IB first came out in regards to that, I'll ask the Gigabyte thread about it but I believe it was fixed.

It's not a risk, I think you are just saying you wouldnt risk it because you aren't informed on every motherboard (granted, its a pain in the ass to try to research all this but I have time, this isn't happening tommorow). I think with good research I can find a p67/z68 that isn't any more of a risk than a z68. Like anything, you just have to research what you are buying. From what I've read so far, there is no risk. I mean the motherboard either works or doesn't, if it doesn't work with i5 3570k i think it'd be pretty obvious, there's not some 'risk' there.

The z77 chipset is fundamentally just not any different than z68 anyways. In fact, even UEFI is being released on some of the p67/z68 boards that didnt have UEFI before.
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The issue of Bios flash is just convenience, but I'm not flashing the bios that often, you usually just stick with what works anyways. I don't think it's worth anything to have a bios flashback feature, unless maybe cpu-less flash or ib flash on a p67/z68 if anything, but not for much.
I do think your right that z77 doesnt tend to be much more expensive, but sometimes you just find deals on used p67/z68 that is a good 20-50+ cheaper than z77, i think. It tends to be really high quality p67/Z68 going for prices a little less or equal to decent z77s.
You say performance but I'm a bit confused... your z68 maximus 4 extreme-z is better performer than....?
Also, in regards to latest technology... for me the answer is no. sata 3, usb 3, pci 3, i dont need any of these features. I'm going to be using a sata 2 ssd, pci 2.0 gtx 460, i dont use external drives or anything like that often. 40gb of hdd space usage in 2 years, and no plans to change that in the coming years. Not to mention such features aren't even noticeable anyways, or even significant even in synthetic benches. If anything, I'd upgrade to a 660ti in 4+ years, not 3x680s.
Lucid Virtu, as I understand it, is crap, and is just about saving energy, not performance. Dont care. If you could explain how lucid virtu has been helpful to you, maybe that'd be more informative, maybe I'm wrong on lucid, but from what I've seen it's crap and hard to make work and is on z68 anyways.
I'm a budget buyer, so I think your confusing some of the stuff I do. I just stream + game, and i ONLY stream + game starcraft 2. I will not be playing the best and newest games, and have no plans to. I will be playing only sc2 for about the next 5+ years.
In fact, my Phenom ii x4 is MORE than powerful enough for my needs, it does everything I want very very smoothly, ie hd x264 encoding and game capture. I'm just replacing my build, not upgrading. I got a bunch of spare pc components so i can basically sell my amd system for more than it'd cost me to upgrade (obviously, opportunity cost aside, i mean i could list some of these coolers and gpu's and hdd's for sale so im essentially 'paying' $500+ but you get what i mean).



Z68 doesn't rally do USB 3.0 from what I understand.... I wanna add this however. You've had the answers all along for your question.... I will point them out.. Keep your existing hardware or Z68

Also, in regards to latest technology... for me the answer is no. sata 3, usb 3, pci 3, i dont need any of these features.

In fact, my Phenom ii x4 is MORE than powerful enough for my needs, it does everything I want very very smoothly, ie hd x264 encoding and game capture


I'm going to be using a sata 2 ssd, pci 2.0 gtx 460,


Lucid Virtu, as I understand it, is crap
 
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