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Poll Results: Which Ivy Bridge CPU did you buy?

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    i5 3570k
  • 43% of voters (586)
    i7 3770k
  • 6% of voters (91)
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post #5781 of 7362
Im bit unsure to delid this yet, i have heard that temps might be good for awhile, then they rise high again. "TIM pump" or what was it called

Edit: Any idea about that if i lower my ram clocks to 1600mhz from xmp profiled 2133mhz, would it make cpu more stable?

Last OCing i did with Q9550 biggrin.gif.
.

Just got notified on IVY oc thread that i didint use AVX version of prime biggrin.gif.. So i have to start all over again... But it ran well for 4 hours when i stopped it.
Now i tried 4.6ghz @ 1.208v IBT AVX 10 runs. Temps getting bit high. AS5 seems to be cured, idle temps have dropped 3-5c after first tests.

Same test @1.2v

@1.192v

@1.84v on load idles @1.192v

Crashed when trying 1.176v smile.gif

So i tried 4.7ghz@ 1.25v temps jumped quite much biggrin.gif

Edited by Konkistadori - 1/4/13 at 9:56am
post #5782 of 7362
Quote:
Originally Posted by Konkistadori View Post

Im bit unsure to delid this yet, i have heard that temps might be good for awhile, then they rise high again. "TIM pump" or what was it called
Edit: Any idea about that if i lower my ram clocks to 1600mhz from xmp profiled 2133mhz, would it make cpu more stable?
Last OCing i did with Q9550 biggrin.gif.
.
Just got notified on IVY oc thread that i didint use AVX version of prime biggrin.gif.. So i have to start all over again... But it ran well for 4 hours when i stopped it.
Now i tried 4.6ghz @ 1.208v IBT AVX 10 runs. Temps getting bit high. AS5 seems to be cured, idle temps have dropped 3-5c after first tests.

yea, thats about what AS5 should drop after a while, ive used it long time smile.gif

about the pump out effect,

Basic concept

"Large and fast decreases in temperature when coupled with HLT instructions.
A usage pattern that alternates between full idle and full load conditions
will cause die temps to swing WIDE AND FAST, particularly with overclocked/overvolted CPUs.


This thermal cycling causes TIM pump-out, wherein the TIM gets ejected and displaced by air,
which is of course not a good thing.

Greases also creep, again worsening the situation."


I think this happens more often with IB because of how quick it heats up and cools off.
The die contact area is so small with such drastic temperatures is another reason."

i like this explanation from Valgaur, our delidded crew captain biggrin.gif

i quote
"Take a TIM put it on your IHS and push your heat sink on it. after a while it starts to
"spread" or pump out from the middle of the IHS and onto the sides causing temps to go up.
I have actually experienced this very recently as my Max's for temps went up. not from
vcore or anything same settings and ambients. it went up 4C.

I think this could also be applied very well to benching. For example you apply a lot
of heat to lets say a candle (Shut up it's a bad example let me be)

You heat up the top of it and it melts making it more fluid and able to move.
you then let it cool thus hardening. then you repeat for a while and eventually
the melted wax overflows the side and drips. the same can be said with this pump
out saying. as it heats it and and makes it more fluid and moves to the outer areas
of the IHS or even the die of your CPU's. This also correlates to the amount of
pressure you have on the IHS and the TIM from your heatsink as that pushes the material
and makes it move. so the more pressure the better temps but higher chance of pumping
out the TIM in the process of better temps."
end quote

one of the notes i saved for later usage,
like i said, before delid, and a while after, i used AS5 also,
after delid, i used it for a few weeks, and renewed after 12 days orso,
because of what i think the pump out effect, my temps got up again,
i didnt know why at that time ..
and my chip was very hot before delid, so the up and down in temps where very often..

after delid, it was better, because the temps where lower, so alot less problems,
maybe just a bit after days, but i had ordered liquid pro already,
when it came in i changed to that, saw a 25+C tempdrop btw,
but this liquid metal compound reacts very different then other tims,
the pump out effect, i havent noticed anything yet, i have it under there for
a few months now so ..i think other delidders that are using it, can confirm this

not trying to get you over to delid it...lol biggrin.gif

try do some more testing with 4.6ghz,
the temps you have now with ibt, will be lower when you run prime,
4.6ghz @ 1.208v still looks good..
Edited by VonDutch - 1/4/13 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post

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Originally Posted by Konkistadori View Post

Im bit unsure to delid this yet, i have heard that temps might be good for awhile, then they rise high again. "TIM pump" or what was it called
Edit: Any idea about that if i lower my ram clocks to 1600mhz from xmp profiled 2133mhz, would it make cpu more stable?
Last OCing i did with Q9550 biggrin.gif.
.
Just got notified on IVY oc thread that i didint use AVX version of prime biggrin.gif.. So i have to start all over again... But it ran well for 4 hours when i stopped it.
Now i tried 4.6ghz @ 1.208v IBT AVX 10 runs. Temps getting bit high. AS5 seems to be cured, idle temps have dropped 3-5c after first tests.

yea, thats about what AS5 should drop after a while, ive used it long time smile.gif

about the pump out effect,

Basic concept

"Large and fast decreases in temperature when coupled with HLT instructions.
A usage pattern that alternates between full idle and full load conditions
will cause die temps to swing WIDE AND FAST, particularly with overclocked/overvolted CPUs.


This thermal cycling causes TIM pump-out, wherein the TIM gets ejected and displaced by air,
which is of course not a good thing.

Greases also creep, again worsening the situation."


I think this happens more often with IB because of how quick it heats up and cools off.
The die contact area is so small with such drastic temperatures is another reason."

i like this explanation from Valgaur, our delidded crew captain biggrin.gif

i quote
"Take a TIM put it on your IHS and push your heat sink on it. after a while it starts to
"spread" or pump out from the middle of the IHS and onto the sides causing temps to go up.
I have actually experienced this very recently as my Max's for temps went up. not from
vcore or anything same settings and ambients. it went up 4C.

I think this could also be applied very well to benching. For example you apply a lot
of heat to lets say a candle (Shut up it's a bad example let me be)

You heat up the top of it and it melts making it more fluid and able to move.
you then let it cool thus hardening. then you repeat for a while and eventually
the melted wax overflows the side and drips. the same can be said with this pump
out saying. as it heats it and and makes it more fluid and moves to the outer areas
of the IHS or even the die of your CPU's. This also correlates to the amount of
pressure you have on the IHS and the TIM from your heatsink as that pushes the material
and makes it move. so the more pressure the better temps but higher chance of pumping
out the TIM in the process of better temps."
end quote

one of the notes i saved for later usage,
like i said, before delid, and a while after, i used AS5 also,
after delid, i used it for a few weeks, and renewed after 12 days orso,
because of what i think the pump out effect, my temps got up again,
i didnt know why at that time ..
and my chip was very hot before delid, so the up and down in temps where very often..

after delid, it was better, because the temps where lower, so alot less problems,
maybe just a bit after days, but i had ordered liquid pro already,
when it came in i changed to that, saw a 25+C tempdrop btw,
but this liquid metal compound reacts very different then other tims,
the pump out effect, i havent noticed anything yet, i have it under there for
a few months now so ..i think other delidders that are using it, can confirm this

not trying to get you over to delid it...lol biggrin.gif

try do some more testing with 4.6ghz,
the temps you have now with ibt, will be lower when you run prime,
4.6ghz @ 1.208v still looks good..

Konkistadori, the TIM "pump-out" problem depends on the type of TIM used, and it does not appear to be a problem with CL PRO or Ultra, as most of us have been using those TIMs for months now without any reported "pump-out" issues - that I know about at least.

And so far, with the large sample of people using those TIMs here, there is little to no "pump-out" being reported - and we have all been aware and looking for it on this thread and the delidding thread. So I do not think you need to be too concerned about this or let it stop you from delidding.
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Here's my latest OC.

 

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Batch #: 3225B936
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Here's my latest OC.

Username: msgclb

Chip Model: 3770k

Batch #: 3225B936

Max OC: 4800 MHz

CPUZ Validation Link: http://valid.canardpc.com/2640250

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I'm running my Prime95 at 4.3Ghz with what I had set at 1.2v but it looks like it stuck at 1.44v.

Started at 12:04, system time says 12:26, its now 12:40. My workers are still working but One of them is at test 33 while the others are at 17 and 18. I know their still working.

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I'm running my Prime95 at 4.3Ghz with what I had set at 1.2v but it looks like it stuck at 1.44v.
Started at 12:04, system time says 12:26, its now 12:40. My workers are still working but One of them is at test 33 while the others are at 17 and 18. I know their still working.
Should I lower vCore or clock?4uny9uhu.jpg
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yea stop that 1.44v is hot on air
unless u delidid
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I still had an auto setting set to the vcore so now its running better when I set it to 1.2v instead of auto.

I had to shut the system down, reboot, and set the vcore from auto to 1.2v

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I'm running my Prime95 at 4.3Ghz with what I had set at 1.2v but it looks like it stuck at 1.44v.
Started at 12:04, system time says 12:26, its now 12:40. My workers are still working but One of them is at test 33 while the others are at 17 and 18. I know their still working.
Should I lower vCore or clock? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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update prime to the latest version 27.7,
or this one, not sure if its a beta release, i just found it, Prime95 27.9 Build 1
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Prime95-Download-76537.html

cant really see whats in the pic you posted,
you have it set to 1.2V vcore in bios, and it shows 1.44V in windows or ?
is that max temp 87C in the pic?
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update prime to the latest version 27.7,
or this one, not sure if its a beta release, i just found it, Prime95 27.9 Build 1
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Prime95-Download-76537.html

cant really see whats in the pic you posted,
you have it set to 1.2V vcore in bios, and it shows 1.44V in windows or ?
is that max temp 87C in the pic?

It got up to that temp I believe. It was set to auto so the vcore went up to 1.44 and I guess it got stuck there.

I'm running Prime95 again after setting the vcore to stick to 1.2 and not auto. Temps are around 55-56 now running full load with 90% of memory used in Prime.

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Noctura Nf-12 Windows 7 Ultimate HP 2007w Emerson 32" HDTV 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
I Stole One Seasonic 620w Modular PSU NZXT Switch 810 I Stole One 
Mouse PadAudio
My Desk Through MoBo 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6100 Gigabyte M3970AM-HP Radeon HD 7450 10GB PC3-10600 DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SATA HD 3.0Gb/s SuperMulti DVD Burner Drive Windows 7 Premium HP w1907 
KeyboardPowerCase
HP Keyboard ATX 300w Mid-size ATX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
DIGIC4 Processor TTL-CT-SIR AF-dedicated CMOS sensor Digital Single Lens Reflex 18.7MP 3.7FPS 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
SDHC Class 10 SDHC Class 10 Magic Lantern 1.02 3" Rotating LCD 
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