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If you're considering 2011..I'd be looking @ the 3930K.Yes it's more $$ ..but it should keep you going for several years biggrin.gif

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http://www.overclock.net/t/1239164/tt-lucid-virtu-mvp-hyperformance-tested-with-asrock-z77-extreme6-and-intel-ivy-bridge
That might explain it better. I'm still learning it myself.
But yes it offloads some stuff to the iGPU.
Or maybe this review is better
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5728/intel-z77-panther-point-chipset-and-motherboard-preview-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-and-biostar/2

What do you mean by it offloads some stuff to the iGPU?

I don't really understand what it is and I am afraid reading those two threads you linked to might even confuse me more. Does this mean that the integrated GPU will be working together with a dedicated graphics card if in case you have one attached? Do they synchronize in some way? Or does one just shut off completely when not under load? Where do I have to plug in the monitor then? Directly to the motherboard I presume?

If the integrated GPU will work together with a dedicated graphics card then I would still consider the ivy bridge 3770k as a major option to choose from. I would imagine it would be good since I can just buy an average dedicated graphics card and couple it with the ivy bridge - instead of getting the socket 2011 and have to get a higher end graphics card. BUT THAT is only if it works TOGETHER. Otherwise the iGPU would still be a waste if the only thing it does is conserve power by shutting down the power consumption of the dedicated graphics card while not under load and then switching to the dedicated graphics card when under load. Besides all this switching and boosting...doesn't that cause some form of latency? Like the moment the system thinks it has to go 'turbo' there's lag? e.g. the old gigabyte turbo boost software which automatically adjusts your cpu depending on the need. It saves power yea, but if there's latency I'm afraid I don't like that.
post #23 of 64
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If in case I choose the socket 2011 though, I will be aiming for an average motherboard that will allow me to go quad channel ddr3. I believe there is no need for me to go super fancy on the motherboard at this time. I just really feel that probably in about 1-2 years from now, newer and cheaper mother boards will come out with better features and possibly ddr4. It's always like that for intel motherboards in my experience. First the combo boards will come out and then the newer memory standard. I am almost willing to bet my neighbor's left nut that that is how it will go.

One question about the motherboards for socket 2011. I saw this motherboard in asus
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/P9X79_DELUXE/

and it says it is pcie 3.0 ready. I thought the socket 2011 doesn't support pcie 3.0? Kindly explain this to me.
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Read the anandtech link that best described it. It is not sli/crossfire so don't think of it like that.

The idea of it working with your gpu is to increase the quality of game play by making the controls feel sharp and reactive, reduce input lag, reduce screen rating.

I guess so it's like playing at 200fps without screen tearing like v sync would do with no input lag.
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If in case I choose the socket 2011 though, I will be aiming for an average motherboard that will allow me to go quad channel ddr3. I believe there is no need for me to go super fancy on the motherboard at this time. I just really feel that probably in about 1-2 years from now, newer and cheaper mother boards will come out with better features and possibly ddr4. It's always like that for intel motherboards in my experience. First the combo boards will come out and then the newer memory standard. I am almost willing to bet my neighbor's left nut that that is how it will go.
One question about the motherboards for socket 2011. I saw this motherboard in asus
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/P9X79_DELUXE/
and it says it is pcie 3.0 ready. I thought the socket 2011 doesn't support pcie 3.0? Kindly explain this to me.

x79 does support pice 3.0
in fact, i believe x79 has more lanes and bandwidth. that's why it is considered enthusiast and is more expensive. you can do 4 way sli/crossfire
post #26 of 64
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Originally Posted by shogrran View Post

If in case I choose the socket 2011 though, I will be aiming for an average motherboard that will allow me to go quad channel ddr3. I believe there is no need for me to go super fancy on the motherboard at this time. I just really feel that probably in about 1-2 years from now, newer and cheaper mother boards will come out with better features and possibly ddr4. It's always like that for intel motherboards in my experience. First the combo boards will come out and then the newer memory standard. I am almost willing to bet my neighbor's left nut that that is how it will go.
One question about the motherboards for socket 2011. I saw this motherboard in asus
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/P9X79_DELUXE/
and it says it is pcie 3.0 ready. I thought the socket 2011 doesn't support pcie 3.0? Kindly explain this to me.

Most 2011 boards support PCIe 3.0, it was the first platform to support it (again Intel's enthusiast line). And so you know that board your looking at there costs roughly more then a 3820 itself. Now you can see why we are telling you a 2011 build will cost substantially more.
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Most 2011 boards support PCIe 3.0, it was the first platform to support it (again Intel's enthusiast line).

hmm... again kinda confusing as the intel website comparison i linked earlier seem to not indicate the pcie 3.0 in the 3820. But huh... oh well another mark down for the ivy bridge.

There is one more further motherboard problem. Don't they design single slot pcie (non-sli boards) anymore? I have definitely NO plans on going SLi. I feel that that is such a waste as well for me. Budget wise I don't have the money for two graphics cards. Besides with the rate these graphics cards are being developed, in the next two or three years there's going to be another graphics card that can pretty much blow away even the SLi set up today. And when that time comes... i would have two left-behind graphics cards instead of just one. This is the reason I only go for 1 graphics card.
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Originally Posted by shogrran View Post

hmm... again kinda confusing as the intel website comparison i linked earlier seem to not indicate the pcie 3.0 in the 3820. But huh... oh well another mark down for the ivy bridge.
There is one more further motherboard problem. Don't they design single slot pcie (non-sli boards) anymore? I have definitely NO plans on going SLi. I feel that that is such a waste as well for me. Budget wise I don't have the money for two graphics cards. Besides with the rate these graphics cards are being developed, in the next two or three years there's going to be another graphics card that can pretty much blow away even the SLi set up today. And when that time comes... i would have two left-behind graphics cards instead of just one. This is the reason I only go for 1 graphics card.

According to Intel's website it supports only PCIe revision 2.0. Finding a single x16 slot board is hard, unless you buy micro-atx. It doesn't hurt having the extra slot there just in case. Especially 2011 boards will be jam packed with them as the processor can handle more lanes over 1155.
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You can use any pcie card in a pcie 16 slot so I would not rule out a good motherboard because you only want 1 slot wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Aparition View Post

Read the anandtech link that best described it. It is not sli/crossfire so don't think of it like that.
The idea of it working with your gpu is to increase the quality of game play by making the controls feel sharp and reactive, reduce input lag, reduce screen rating.
I guess so it's like playing at 200fps without screen tearing like v sync would do with no input lag.

So you are saying that it will help the dedicated graphics card? Hmm.. like smooth games and faster reaction time? Is it a good enough trade off for the supposedly "hotter" temps?
Edited by shogrran - 4/30/12 at 11:13pm
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