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Looks like I'll be building a Mini-ITX HTPC in 13 days thumb.gif
     
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Looking at the games the HD 4000 "won", I going to have to say that assumption is all wrong. The HD 4000 didn't win a few of those, the CPU did.
Stalker in very single threaded.
Skyrim favors Intel just like all the previous Gamebryo related games and it loves higher clocks.
L4D2 is the Source engine, easier on the GPU and kind of easy on the CPU too ...but the better CPU wins it because L4D2 has to process a larger amount of AI. You'll note that Portal 2 [Source engine without a lot of AI] has AMD ahead.
Intel's strength in CPUs is padding the HD 4000's results and AMD's weakness in CPUs in actually making the graphics run with one hand tied behind it's back. If AMD's graphics was being pushed by Intel's CPU, you'd see many more losses for the HD 4000.
Intel is definitely further behind in graphics than they are trying to make it appear.

Well yea, if you look it at Llano on the desktop vs i7 3770 + HD4000, Llano at its worst is still 15% faster(uncommon) and at its best 300% faster(uncommon) then HD 4000. I think the average is something like 30%. We were specifically talking about the Mobile sector, and honestly cpu does matter with low resolutions so it does need to be taken in to account.
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Looks like I'll be building a Mini-ITX HTPC in 13 days thumb.gif

Eh. Trinity that launches on May 15th is for laptop only. Desktop is for mid-June I believe.
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Sorry, I didn't think that a general approximation of time would mean such a big deal. rolleyes.gif
it does when you generally "approximate" everything to your liking, its just not true. You can wiggle all you want but anybody who wasnt born after y2k can see you are full of poo and strangely convinced AMD is doing awesome right now.. even though they are not.
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it does when you generally "approximate" everything to your liking, its just not true. You can wiggle all you want but anybody who wasnt born after y2k can see you are full of poo and strangely convinced AMD is doing awesome right now.. even though they are not.

Excellent point. Next time I'll I'l say "5.5-7 years." C2Ds only came out in late 2006, I didn't realize simpletons get so confused and offended by rounding to whole numbers, and consequently makes everything I say a load of crap. You're right, I never realized my crap-filled posts before because I grossly approximated a timeframe. Excellent info, I'll keep it in mind for the future. Many thanks. thumb.gif
    
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post #156 of 329
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Looking at the games the HD 4000 "won", I going to have to say that assumption is all wrong. The HD 4000 didn't win a few of those, the CPU did.
Stalker in very single threaded.
Skyrim favors Intel just like all the previous Gamebryo related games and it loves higher clocks.
L4D2 is the Source engine, easier on the GPU and kind of easy on the CPU too ...but the better CPU wins it because L4D2 has to process a larger amount of AI. You'll note that Portal 2 [Source engine without a lot of AI] has AMD ahead.
Intel's strength in CPUs is padding the HD 4000's results and AMD's weakness in CPUs in actually making the graphics run with one hand tied behind it's back. If AMD's graphics was being pushed by Intel's CPU, you'd see many more losses for the HD 4000.
Intel is definitely further behind in graphics than they are trying to make it appear.

You are absolutely spot on. The desktop HD4000 will lose badly to Trinity even when compared with a 65w AMD A10-5700. The mobile core i3 will face a similar situation with AMD A10-4600M given its lack of turbo. What remains to be seen is AMD A10-4600M with mobile core i5. Given the superior IPC of Intel ivybridge and aggressive turbo speeds we have to wait and see how much of AMD's GPU lead is pulled back by Intel's CPU power.
Also the testing of integrated graphics should be done in such a way that the fastest integrated solution crosses 30 fps. So the highest playable settings at standard resolutions like 1366 x 768 should be tested to really stress the GPU. Most laptop screens and desktop screens upto 19 inch are still limited to 1366 x 768. If the game is less demanding then higher resolutions can be tested. Also as said previously anandtech could have atleast tested with a 45w a8-3550mx (2 Ghz) . The review is a sad reminder of Intel power and paid journalism mad.gif
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You're right, I never realized my crap-filled posts before because I grossly approximated a timeframe.

you also said amd didnt used to have their own fabs and that amd isnt losing market share which overall is not true, im just trying to help you to correctly understand what your clearly biased perception has twisted up for you.
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you also said amd didnt used to have their own fabs and that amd isnt losing market share which overall is not true, im just trying to help you to correctly understand what your clearly biased perception has twisted up for you.

Thanks. Words cannot begin to describe how truly invaluable your help is to me.
    
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That's really pathetic of you to take a graph out of context. 100% is parity between the 2, as mentioned here. HD 4000 wins some, loses some against 6620G. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5772/mobile-ivy-bridge-and-asus-n56vm-preview/6
The official record states: Average of 15 games as tested, 6620G scores 36.4 FPS, HD 4000 scores 36.2 FPS.578

What's pathetic is you failing to realise that the APUs are targeted at the 500-600$ market, while the i7 is targeted at the $700+ segment.

$700-900 range APUs come with discrete graphics too, which when crossfired with the APU's IGP, put to shame the HD4000 and beat the crap out of the dedicated graphics on the i7 laptop.
   
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you also said amd didnt used to have their own fabs and that amd isnt losing market share which overall is not true, im just trying to help you to correctly understand what your clearly biased perception has twisted up for you.

Latest research shows AMD has gained market share

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Looses-Market-Share-to-AMD-266675.shtml
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