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Are you guys serious. He kept asking so I gave him a link so I did. He said you cant buy now, and I was just pointing out that you can. Dont take everything so seriously. The prices will not be like this the US. That same notebook I posted in Korea will sell in US for $525.

You guys have to be the most ignorant people I have ever had the pleasure to post with.

Also, Trinity mobile is going to be 25% faster in CPU performance and 50% better in graphics performance. What are you guys having a hard time understanding.

This is the absolute perfect chip for mainstream users. I feel like I am getting dumber and dumber (<-- see) the more I read these posts.

Please. Please. Stop being so wrapped in your own thoughts that you are completely oblivious to everything else. Open your eyes.

I am really having a hard believing that 4 people commented on my post of the Trinity laptop in Korea. It feels like OCN has kicked everyone 12 yrs and up out of the site. Please convince me otherwise.
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@MG I'll have to get back to you, but I believe the shaders are within Intel's "EUs". Main difference being, Intel has massive cores, much bigger than the old CUDA cores.
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Intel people really shouldn't be worried. HD4000 was a 60% increase from HD3000. Intel is improving their IGP much faster then AMD at this point. Haswell will bring it even closer and Intel already has a huge advantage on the CPU side. In fact I'd say the CPU side advantage Intel has is way more insurmountable then the GPU advantage AMD has. We already know IPC increases are becoming harder and harder to achieve. Intel has a gigantic RnD budget and what is widely considered the best fabs in the world. There's a reason no one else is shipping 22nm processors or GPUs right now. AMD has a built in advantage with ATI but I'd still rather be in Intel's position with 80+% of the current market and all manufacturers totally on board.
Until AMD learns how to build fabs that are on pars with Intels which they won't because they aren't even trying they really don't represent a threat. It's just the way things are whether it's right or not.
Also performance on these APUs is pretty godawful and nothing to really brag about. On both sides.

Jtom, you're neglecting the fact that first-gen Core i (Arrandale) mobile had a 32nm CPU, and 45nm IGP. And note that these were on 2 separate dies. So Intel has had their IGP die shrink twice in the past 2 years. 45nm -> 32nm -> 22nm. They won't have a die-shrink going for them with Haswell, so unless Intel has something really innovative (or just plain throws all the extra die space to GPU side), don't expect as much gain on the GPU side.

On the other hand, AMD has GCN and 28nm in the pipeline for 2013, so it's hard to say if Intel will really close the gap on GPU side. AMD's APU graphics also benefit a lot from faster RAM.
 
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AMD will most likely hit a limit of how many Radeon cores they can fit onto a die or how fast the GPU can be while still getting the CPU on there and keep the TDP low.
AMD can't build better fabs until they have the money to do it,but if you think about it AMD isn't doing too bad the moment with only a tenth of Intel's R&D budget.

AMD will never have their own fabs again. Thats the whole reason they got out of it. It loses them money. The reason they did not profit this quarter is because they spent a lot of money investing in GF so now they dont have to pay when yields are bad and this in the long run makes them more money. Also, they paid GF to have their complete 28nm process. These are both great investments and will make more money for AMD than they are loosing right now. If it wasnt for these major deals with GF they would have made a decent profit this quarter.

It is obvious that most of you guys that are posting know everything about Intel but have no clue what AMD does or is doing or why they are doing it.
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@MG I'll have to get back to you, but I believe the shaders are within Intel's "EUs". Main difference being, Intel has massive cores, much bigger than the old CUDA cores.
Jtom, you're neglecting the fact that first-gen Core i (Arrandale) mobile had a 32nm CPU, and 45nm IGP. And note that these were on 2 separate dies. So Intel has had their IGP die shrink twice in the past 2 years. 45nm -> 32nm -> 22nm. They won't have a die-shrink going for them with Haswell, so unless Intel has something really innovative (or just plain throws all the extra die space to GPU side), don't expect as much gain on the GPU side.
On the other hand, AMD has GCN and 28nm in the pipeline for 2013, so it's hard to say if Intel will really close the gap on GPU side. AMD's APU graphics also benefit a lot from faster RAM.

I concur...
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@MG I'll have to get back to you, but I believe the shaders are within Intel's "EUs". Main difference being, Intel has massive cores, much bigger than the old CUDA cores.
Jtom, you're neglecting the fact that first-gen Core i (Arrandale) mobile had a 32nm CPU, and 45nm IGP. And note that these were on 2 separate dies. So Intel has had their IGP die shrink twice in the past 2 years. 45nm -> 32nm -> 22nm. They won't have a die-shrink going for them with Haswell, so unless Intel has something really innovative (or just plain throws all the extra die space to GPU side), don't expect as much gain on the GPU side.
On the other hand, AMD has GCN and 28nm in the pipeline for 2013, so it's hard to say if Intel will really close the gap on GPU side. AMD's APU graphics also benefit a lot from faster RAM.

There will be more space thrown to the GPU.
Haswell is expected to have 40 EUs, so there will be a huge performance increase in the GPU area.
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AMD will never have their own fabs again. Thats the whole reason they got out of it. It loses them money. The reason they did not profit this quarter is because they spent a lot of money investing in GF so now they dont have to pay when yields are bad and this in the long run makes them more money. Also, they paid GF to have their complete 28nm process. These are both great investments and will make more money for AMD than they are loosing right now. If it wasnt for these major deals with GF they would have made a decent profit this quarter.
It is obvious that most of you guys that are posting know everything about Intel but have no clue what AMD does or is doing or why they are doing it.

You're by far the smartest AMD fan on this site, please educate us some more.

What is GF and what are these deals you speak of?

AMD doesn't have their own fabs?

Why did they lose money this quarter again?

I had NO idea about any of this.

Mind = Blown
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That rage for amd. Amd done a good job on this why we dont just chill out and admit it. Hope intel is competitive too to have options for low budget laptop with good performance. Who wins for 0.2 fps debate. Nah i will not get it.
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AMD will never have their own fabs again. Thats the whole reason they got out of it. It loses them money. The reason they did not profit this quarter is because they spent a lot of money investing in GF so now they dont have to pay when yields are bad and this in the long run makes them more money. Also, they paid GF to have their complete 28nm process. These are both great investments and will make more money for AMD than they are loosing right now. If it wasnt for these major deals with GF they would have made a decent profit this quarter.
It is obvious that most of you guys that are posting know everything about Intel but have no clue what AMD does or is doing or why they are doing it.

I specifically said AMD didn't have their own fabs. What's up with the collective victim syndrome with AMD fans on this site? I thought Nvidia fans with their superiority complexes were the worst but you guys take the cake. No one can post an opinion without being blasted here.

Anyway I do in fact think that what AMD doing overall with their relatively tiny budget is pretty impressive. But putting all that aside I really think AMD's biggest problem is their production capabilities. As I said earlier whether it's right or wrong they've lost before they even jump out of the gate no matter what they do.
    
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You're by far the smartest AMD fan on this site, please educate us some more.
What is GF and what are these deals you speak of?
AMD doesn't have their own fabs?
Why did they lose money this quarter again?
I had NO idea about any of this.
Mind = Blown
If AMD still owned TSMC they would be gaining money because it's their fab, GF wouldn't be screwing up their chips with bad yields & leaky hot running CPU's,so just maybe AMD wouldn't be in such a huge mess as they are in now.
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If AMD still owned TSMC they would be gaining money because it's their fab, GF wouldn't be screwing up their chips with bad yields & leaky hot running CPU's,so just maybe AMD wouldn't be in such a huge mess as they are in now.

You do realize I was being sarcastic right? smile.gif

AMD never owned TSMC.

They owned GF, and recently relinquished the remaining 14% stake in GF.
http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800662658_499489_NT_d4d30ba1.HTM

I won't even get into the rest of your points.

I only posted that because it's funny to watch that kid rage.
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