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Sorry but pointing to roadmaps three years out doesn't convince me. Intel right now is promsing a 20X power reduction and discrete GPU level graphics in haswell. We'll see how it all pans out. All I can comment on concretely is what is going on right now and in the next few months. The buzz right now with manufacturers is Ivy period. AMD has a long way to go before they are relevant again. Their share price is still sitting at sub-10 dollars.
See my problem with you guys arguments is not neccesarily about the performance of Trinity but the fact that you are hyping it as a high volume product that is going to change the notebook industry. So far there is no indication anywhere that laptop manufacturers are going to be switching from Intel to AMD. AMD has to release multiple successful chips before that will even begin to happen and put their company on a path toward stability. Right now they are still not a safe bet. Several industry insiders on Beyond3d have noted that Microsoft is nervous about entering into a contract for the 720 GPU with AMD because of their financial position. This is the point.

Is that really the point of a thread about Trinity mobile? To me, new product launch means; let's talk about it, if you think it will suck, state why, if you think it'll be good, state why. If you have tangible numbers forecasting it's success or failure (see: increase in design wins from 70 to 90 YOY, I posted that a few pages back), put the numbers up.
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The source link seems dead? Sad, 'cause I was wanting to read it.
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You said in your other post that the Trinity laptop wouldn't be yours. That's like saying "no I'm not a Honda fanboy,my wife has a Toyota".
Why do you Intel guys have an obsession to post everywhere that Intel is betterwhe everyone already knows the fact?
It doesn't matter that IB is more efficient that BD,IB isn't worth upgrading over SB,oh wait you're justifying your purpose and making yourself happy that your Intel is another 5% better than 'faildozer".
Graphics cards prices don't really matter too much either,the new gens are so darn expensive,I would assume both AMD and Nvidia are price gouging.
Don't forget Intel had CPU's priced similarly,yet performed worse in the same price points as the FX-57.
Sure they're both companies,but one of them takes in billions of profit each month,yet still tries to squeeze the competition out the market with underhanded tactics,even as of recently; price wars.

What other post are you referring to? You talking about this one?
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The wifey's laptop is due for an upgrade, been telling her for a while that I'm waiting for Trinity. Of course she has no clue what I'm talking about, but I've been looking forward to it!

I'm not the one who uses the laptop, she does most of the time, and the only game she's over going to play is Sims 3. Since the price is right, a Trinity laptop makes perfect sense.

I also have no problem recommending Llano or Trinity to my friends.
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Buying ATI is finally paying off for AMD though. thumb.gif
I've gotten a few friends to buy Llano laptops, and most recently got some to hold off on Intel and MacPro purchases so they can buy Trinity. They didn't quite understand why, but did it anyway.

Ivy Bridge is not worth upgrading over SB? Does that statement apply to me?

Checks sig rig, I DON'T HAVE SB.

The 2600K is more than 5% faster than Bulldozer, lol. The 3770K further widens that gap as of right now.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=434

The FX-57 was $1000 end of story, which happens to be the last time AMD held the performance crown. Back in those days I bought a 3800+, which is now being upgraded to Trinity.

Currently, I have 2 AMD computers, 1 AMD Laptop, and of course my primary computer which is Intel.

My next 3 upgrades consist of 1 AMD laptop, 1 AMD APU, 1 Intel CPU, yep, seems like I prefer Intel over AMD.

You're right, I'm an "Intel guy". I buy what makes sense for my uses.

Why would I buy an inferior product when there's something better on the market?

In regards to GPU's, did you miss the part where AMD only dropped prices because they HAD to, not because they wanted to?

The GTX 580 was launched at $499. The GTX 680 was launched at $499. Nvidia remains consistent.

The 6970 was launched at $369. The 7970 was launched at $550.

AMD took it upon themselves to compare the 7970 to the 580 for their pricing strategy ( Current Gen vs Last Gen isn't that something frowned upon by AMD fans? )
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What other thread are you referring to?
In this very thread I said:
Ivy Bridge is not worth upgrading over SB? Does that statement apply to me?
Checks sig rig, I DON'T HAVE SB.
The FX-57 was $1000 end of story, regardless of what Intel had. Back in those days I bought a 3800+, which is now being upgraded to Trinity.
Currently, I have 2 AMD computers and 1 AMD Laptop.
My next 3 upgrades consist of 1 AMD laptop, 1 AMD APU, 1 Intel CPU, yep, seems like I prefer Intel over AMD.

You're right, I'm an "Intel guy"
In regards to GPU's, did you miss the part where AMD only dropped prices because they HAD to, not because they wanted to?
The GTX 580 was launched at $499. The GTX 680 was launched at $499. Nvidia remains consistent.
The 6970 was launched at $369. The 7970 was launched at $550.
AMD took it upon themselves to compare the 7970 to the 580 for their pricing strategy ( Current Gen vs Last Gen isn't that something frowned upon by AMD fans? )

 

 

Not even talking technology here anymore.

 

 

 

People this^ is what trollz want you to do, defend urself and get the discussion off track.

 

Mods, take notice as we are clearly we are within a Trinity REVIEW thread and yet some peeps pretend not to notice, and/or contrive a distraction, by hawking an irrelevant comparo between an EOL chip & one thats a +$150 more solution. Neither on the same node.

 

Pointless^   & so are their post.

 

 

Any time someone has to tout a brand, throw the red flag up (or look under the bridge)

.

And anyone who constantly needs to find flaws in a 1080p $499 laptop in the market...   is (quite frankly) a moron or a paid shill.   

 

 

So why put up with them? (there are many)

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Originally Posted by jtom320 View Post

Sorry but pointing to roadmaps three years out doesn't convince me. Intel right now is promsing a 20X power reduction and discrete GPU level graphics in haswell. We'll see how it all pans out. All I can comment on concretely is what is going on right now and in the next few months. The buzz right now with manufacturers is Ivy period. AMD has a long way to go before they are relevant again. Their share price is still sitting at sub-10 dollars.
See my problem with you guys arguments is not neccesarily about the performance of Trinity but the fact that you are hyping it as a high volume product that is going to change the notebook industry. So far there is no indication anywhere that laptop manufacturers are going to be switching from Intel to AMD. AMD has to release multiple successful chips before that will even begin to happen and put their company on a path toward stability. Right now they are still not a safe bet. Several industry insiders on Beyond3d have noted that Microsoft is nervous about entering into a contract for the 720 GPU with AMD because of their financial position. This is the point.

AMD's notebook market share has been steadily increasing over the last year due to brazos and llano. AMD had 32nm yield problems and capacity constraints in H2 2011. Those have been sorted out. Its mentioned in the article that AMD's Q1 2012 market share improved because of recovery from production issues.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/254503/amd_gains_x86_processor_market_share_on_intel_in_q1.html#tk.rss_news

Trinity and Brazos 2.0 will finally take AMD towards 20% mobile market share and beyond. AMD's HSA architecture and software efforts have started paying off. Adobe has brought full GPU acceleration support to Creative Suite CS6 using OpenCL on AMD Trinity APUs and AMD discrete GPUs. There will be more such announcements from other companies at AMD Fusion developer summit in June 2012.

The APU roadmap was an indication of their plans. But they are executing on it now. GCN based HD 7000 series is out. The compute performance is a big improvement.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5541/amd-radeon-hd-7750-radeon-hd-7770-ghz-edition-review/21

AMD Radeon HD 7750 with 512 shaders at 800Mhz is beating the GTX 560 in OpenCL based SmallLuxGPU ( rendering and raytracing software ) and DirectCompute shader based fluid simulation. AMD Kaveri will have 512 shader GPU at 900Mhz .AMD Kaveri (Steamroller + GCN) will compete with Intel Haswell when both release in mid 2013. So don't try to avoid the crux of the point. Haswell's performance in GPGPU apps is to be seen. Intel's software efforts with OpenCL and DirectCompute are to be seen. So enough with the constant Intel glorification mad.gif
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Your confusing the two. A fanboy is some one who won't listen to reason. An elitist is some one who wants the best of the best(or e-peen). Please learn to separate the two before trying to "educate" me.
IMHO overclocking isn't about taking the current fastest and making it faster but more taking something that works ok and making it work AMAZING... just like with fast cars... most people don't buy a 1.3million dollor Bugatti Varon to make it faster.. they buy a mustang/Porsche/Ect and make it fast...

Trying to convince anyone that AMD has a worthy CPU for a discrete card laptop on gaming is the problem. Why would anyone with sense listen to that? If the user doesn't play games at all and you're comparing laptops without discrete cards, the much lower IPC causing them to waste more time(money) on the same task still isn't a win either. $800 isn't the Bugatti Veyron level of pricing either... Someone trying to convince people to buy a sub-par product is who the real blind name follower is. They don't even know what reason is.
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Trying to convince anyone that AMD has a worthy CPU for a discrete card laptop on gaming is the problem. Why would anyone with sense listen to that? If the user doesn't play games at all and you're comparing laptops without discrete cards, the much lower IPC causing them to waste more time(money) on the same task still isn't a win either. $800 isn't the Bugatti Veyron level of pricing either... Someone trying to convince people to buy a sub-par product is who the real blind name follower is. They don't even know what reason is.

The sub-par performance is in the eye of the beholder...... PERIOD! My mother still use's a single core desk top and thinks it would be pure insanity to upgrade. Why? She has no use for more power. An internet browser can only use so much CPU... Same with trinity, just because you can't see a proper use for a product dose not mean its not needed. We could kiss all inovation good bye at that point... FYI, you sir would be an elitist that refuse's to understand another person's point of view. I tend to build/pick the machine to fit what the USER wants, not what I want.
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Trying to convince anyone that AMD has a worthy CPU for a discrete card laptop on gaming is the problem. Why would anyone with sense listen to that? If the user doesn't play games at all and you're comparing laptops without discrete cards, the much lower IPC causing them to waste more time(money) on the same task still isn't a win either. $800 isn't the Bugatti Veyron level of pricing either... Someone trying to convince people to buy a sub-par product is who the real blind name follower is. They don't even know what reason is.
You're an obvious elitist and have no idea what 95% of people use the PC's for. Yeah sure.... "Lower IPC" can't run internet browsing,facebook,email and occasional game or two. The price point Trinity is bring sold at,are for the average user to occasional gamer who might even run something like BF3 on it,while still having a balance of CPU,graphics and battery life. Laptops aren't made for what you're describing unless you buy a $1,200+ desktop replacement "gaming" laptop.
Edited by Heavy MG - 5/2/12 at 11:38pm
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Trinity is more than enough for a mainstream user. And still a lot of here compares them like a high performance part. The mainstream user dont know what IPC means or 5% performance difference. The mainstream user looks for a good perfomance/value. I really like that intel have better performance/value these days and follow the amd's tactic. I used intel until i get that P4 prescott cpu. After 1 week i trade him and i bought an amd athlon 64 3200+. I didint know back then about performance or anything but my overall experience was better with the athlon and i didint know why athlon was better. Because i was a mainstream user and didint want to spent a lot of money for another cpu. Glad to see that intel has lower price and better performance these days.

P.S.I have seen a lot of impolite people in this thread because someone disagree with their statement. Please cool down you dont own amd neither intel.
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AMD > Ingenic > VIA > ARM(crew) > Intel

I don't see the problem....
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