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Clearly you don't have a basic grasp of the English language. It wasn't a compliment to your atrocious grammar.

Um, it was a joke, notice the tag in my sig??? chillax brah!
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Clearly you don't have a basic grasp of the English language. It wasn't a compliment to your atrocious grammar.

The comment was directed at forumla m. I don't tolerate "U" and "R" being used as words. Khaotic's passable...
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I've not seen one remark about Trinity being disappointing. If there are any hidden jabs, they're incredibly mild and not worth getting your jimmies rustled over. Also, don't include me in this. I'm rather optimistic about Trinity and have barely commented on this thread.
Trying to trumpet the dominance of something (GPU performance at mainstream laptop resolution) that will likely be unseated in a couple weeks is a bit silly, but until those two weeks are up, it's all we've got.
Nvidia users got all kinds of butt hurt when the HD 7970 was getting compared against the GTX 580. If that's the best the competition's got, you can't really avoid the comparison. Unlike the 7970 vs 580 scenario though, this won't be nearly as long of a wait for the competition to have an answer.
They kind of do, actually. AMD doesn't have anything higher than Trinity/Llano in laptops. While the price difference is quite large, the A10 will be the best AMD has to fight against the i7s.

Eh, news flash AMD dropped out of the AMD vs Intel war. Their all about making good processors for the right price (gone back to their roots). There is no way for them to catch up with Intel and really I don't see why even bother. AMD processors will do what most people will want them to, and do at half the cost of an Intel.

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The comment was directed at forumla m. I don't tolerate "U" and "R" being used as words. Khaotic's passable...

LOL, my bad, I have formula_m blocked, and you and him were debating back and forth for a while.

I thought it was him you were replying to, all I saw was the horrible grammar in the quote.

I retract my comment. Will read more closely next time. thumb.gif
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I know that all logic was thrown out the window 28 pages ago, but...

1. HD 4000 is, on average over 15 games test, 0.2FPS slower (out of roughly 36FPS - this is ~0.6%) than 6620G. I've provided the numbers, you can look at Anand's review and see just as much stated. At best, HD 4000 and 6620G are tied

2. Suppose you're in denial and still think HD 4000 is faster than 6620G. Show me a single Ivy Bridge mobile laptop that doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. Failure to provide such nullifies the comparison of 6620G vs. HD 4000, as there's no practical reason to boast of integrated graphics performance on a $1000+ gaming laptop, with discrete graphics several times as powerful.

Another point, AMD's integrated graphics are much better at OpenGL than Intel's, as evidenced by their multiple-times faster SpecviewPerf (OpenGL/3D content creation bench) performance. Add to that, Adobe CS6's Mercury Playback Engine will now support OpenGL, along with CUDA. So, AMD APU.. or Intel HD 4000 for Adobe CS6? If you use Premiere Pro or Photoshop, you're better off with an AMD APU. Even better would be a discrete AMD 7000M GCN card, as GCN's compute performance is much higher than Kepler's.

I know you guys like bickering about petty things, but just try to stick to the spirit of the argument. I just ask, please don't attack any Oxford commas, improperly using semicolons, or the like.
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Eh, news flash AMD dropped out of the AMD vs Intel war. Their all about making good processors for the right price (gone back to their roots). There is no way for them to catch up with Intel and really I don't see why even bother. AMD processors will do what most people will want them to, and do at half the cost of an Intel.

It's a quad core against a quad core. It's not like they cut features out to save costs and provide a cheaper product. The product performs however it performs and AMD is forced to price accordingly.
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It's a quad core against a quad core. It's not like they cut features out to save costs and provide a cheaper product. The product performs however it performs and AMD is forced to price accordingly.

Of course, that's just common sense. You wouldn't give up a processor that costed you $100 to manufacture for $80. AMD does a good job at making parts that are reliable and work for whatever task you may have at hand. Intel is only good for doing it faster. As human beings speed is a craving we all have, and in this era of time 30% of the people cant handle waiting the 3-5 extra seconds for a particular task to complete. So they buy what gets it done the fastest (Intel). But on the other hand there is a large percentage of the market (the other 70%) who really don't care about that extra few seconds. While most of us live in the real world where we are taxed to death by our government, simply put we can not fork out the $1,000 for a decent Intel rig. Thus we are left to the cheaper alternative (AMD).

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LOL, my bad, I have formula_m blocked, and you and him were debating back and forth for a while.
I thought it was him you were replying to, all I saw was the horrible grammar in the quote.
I retract my comment. Will read more closely next time. thumb.gif

I think everyone on this fourm is guilty of that, I know I have done it more than once:) its all in good fun and nothing personal. biggrin.gif

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I know that all logic was thrown out the window 28 pages ago, but...
1. HD 4000 is, on average over 15 games test, 0.2FPS slower (out of roughly 36FPS - this is ~0.6%) than 6620G. I've provided the numbers, you can look at Anand's review and see just as much stated. At best, HD 4000 and 6620G are tied
2. Suppose you're in denial and still think HD 4000 is faster than 6620G. Show me a single Ivy Bridge mobile laptop that doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. Failure to provide such nullifies the comparison of 6620G vs. HD 4000, as there's no practical reason to boast of integrated graphics performance on a $1000+ gaming laptop, with discrete graphics several times as powerful.
I know you guys like bickering about petty things, but just try to stick to the spirit of the argument. I just ask, please don't attack any Oxford commas, improperly using semicolons, or the like.

Good points, I had not even looked at the percentage's of performance between the two as Warmonger state's in the quote below(I have also mentioned it in different wording) AMD officaly stopped trying to duke it out with Intel after the Bulldozer nightmare... but lets not let this start a BD tangent/flame war smile.gif

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Eh, news flash AMD dropped out of the AMD vs Intel war. Their all about making good processors for the right price (gone back to their roots). There is no way for them to catch up with Intel and really I don't see why even bother. AMD processors will do what most people will want them to, and do at half the cost of an Intel.

Its exactly this reason I have a new found affection for AMD. It seems they have stopped pretending to be something they are not. As long as I have been working with PC's AMD has always be the competent budget friendly option for those of us who cannot or will not spend what intel was asking for their products. In my mind this doesn't make one company or product better than the other. It only means that each product has its time, place and user basis its trying to please. Some people LOVE to benchmark and reach for higher score's(guilty to an extent) but that is a small community compared to the people looking for a cost effective solution that will still get the job done(also guilty to an extent). Its this reasoning I am beside myself to see AMD's recent products(APU's and such) hit the market.

I see a tirnity laptop with a small SSD in my near future to solve my portable computing needs:) and thus far it should handle everything I will require form a laptop, what it won't I have one of two powerful desktops to pick from.
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I know that all logic was thrown out the window 28 pages ago, but...
1. HD 4000 is, on average over 15 games test, 0.2FPS slower (out of roughly 36FPS - this is ~0.6%) than 6620G. I've provided the numbers, you can look at Anand's review and see just as much stated. At best, HD 4000 and 6620G are tied
2. Suppose you're in denial and still think HD 4000 is faster than 6620G. Show me a single Ivy Bridge mobile laptop that doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. Failure to provide such nullifies the comparison of 6620G vs. HD 4000, as there's no practical reason to boast of integrated graphics performance on a $1000+ gaming laptop, with discrete graphics several times as powerful.
Another point, AMD's integrated graphics are much better at OpenGL than Intel's, as evidenced by their multiple-times faster SpecviewPerf (OpenGL/3D content creation bench) performance. Add to that, Adobe CS6's Mercury Playback Engine will now support OpenGL, along with CUDA. So, AMD APU.. or Intel HD 4000 for Adobe CS6? If you use Premiere Pro or Photoshop, you're better off with an AMD APU. Even better would be a discrete AMD 7000M GCN card, as GCN's compute performance is much higher than Kepler's.
I know you guys like bickering about petty things, but just try to stick to the spirit of the argument. I just ask, please don't attack any Oxford commas, improperly using semicolons, or the like.

OpenCL my friend. Intel HD4000 does bring OpenCL 1.1 support.

Although not yet available, I am confident that you can find i3 and i5 Ivy laptop that uses HD4000 alone. All core series of Ivy laptop will come with HD4000.
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Of course, that's just common sense. You wouldn't give up a processor that costed you $100 to manufacture for $80. AMD does a good job at making parts that are reliable and work for whatever task you may have at hand. Intel is only good for doing it faster. As human beings speed is a craving we all have, and in this era of time 30% of the people cant handle waiting the 3-5 extra seconds for a particular task to complete. So they buy what gets it done the fastest (Intel). But on the other hand there is a large percentage of the market (the other 70%) who really don't care about that extra few seconds. While most of us live in the real world where we are taxed to death by our government, simply put we can not fork out the $1,000 for a decent Intel rig. Thus we are left to the cheaper alternative (AMD).
I actually think the gap between Intel and AMD will significantly lessen in the coming years. With AMD free from GloFo, they should be able to do the one thing they've always struggled with - not run into supply issues. They're changing their processor releases to a yearly schedule like Intel, which will definitely help. RCM is going to be a huge boost, although I'm wondering if Intel will look into implementing that technology as well, as it's a 3rd party design.

Also, gains from process shrinks are really starting to minimize. The cost per wafer's gone way up for newer processes and leakage is becoming too hot to handle. It's only going to get worse.

Wondering how 450mm wafers will affect Intel's fabrication edge on AMD though. Obviously there's some big up front cost, but the savings are pretty sizable.

If AMD can survive year of the Bulldozer, they should be alright. GloFo did a number on AMD last year, and now AMD doesn't have to worry about that for much longer.
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LOL, my bad, I have formula_m blocked, and you and him were debating back and forth for a while.
I thought it was him you were replying to, all I saw was the horrible grammar in the quote.
I retract my comment. Will read more closely next time. thumb.gif

I don't block people... I miss out on the fun that way. Although I swear, if I see mikezachlowe post another news thread with an ellipsis at the end, I'm gonna kill someone.
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