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Except you're now also having to pay for the cpu to fix a gpu problem.
I bet Intel still continues to dominate the mobile market by brand recognition alone. When's the last time AMD made a commercial? It doesn't matter if you make the best product in the world if no one knows about it. Bummmmm-Bum bum bum bummmmm.

Except that Intel's GPU and CPU are on one die as well, has been that way since Sandy Bridge. So your first point is a non-issue, especially seeing how some of Intel's mobile dual-cores cost upwards of $300 (Trinity will be cheaper).

And AMD shipped about 30 million mobile Llano systems last year, and broke their record in terms of revenue from mobile. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120124225458_AMD_Celebrates_Shipment_of_Over_Thirty_Million_Fusion_APUs.html . Intel pretty much got wiped out of the netbook / "notbook" sector last year thanks to AMD's C-50 and E-350. $400 for an AMD 11.6" ultraportable is a much better value than the typical $600+ for an i3 ultraportable. And $250-300 for an AMD C-50 with Atom dual-core performance, and much better graphics, and an 11.6" screen, SOLD! Seriously, who's going to buy a 10" Intel netbook with 1024x600 resolution and a 10-20% smaller keyboard at the same price? And who would bother with an i3 dual-core and integrated graphics in a $400 system when you can get an A6 quad-core with 30%+ faster graphics, and better image quality?

As for brand recognition, I think you're neglecting the fact that typical consumers see "AMD world's first 8-core desktop" and they're just amazed. On top of that, for graphics cards it's now AMD and Nvidia. Having your graphics associated with what was the fastest GPU for about 3 months can't be a bad thing. Everyone still thinks of Intel GMA 3150 or 945 (both sucked, couldn't do 1080p) when they think of Intel integrated graphics. Sure, they're better now.. but as you say, perception.
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that 30 million figure refers to all of AMDs APUs and not just Llano APUS.
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Except that Intel's GPU and CPU are on one die as well, has been that way since Sandy Bridge. So your first point is a non-issue, especially seeing how some of Intel's mobile dual-cores cost upwards of $300 (Trinity will be cheaper).
And AMD shipped about 30 million mobile Llano systems last year, and broke their record in terms of revenue from mobile. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120124225458_AMD_Celebrates_Shipment_of_Over_Thirty_Million_Fusion_APUs.html . Intel pretty much got wiped out of the netbook / "notbook" sector last year thanks to AMD's C-50 and E-350. $400 for an AMD 11.6" ultraportable is a much better value than the typical $600+ for an i3 ultraportable. And $250-300 for an AMD C-50 with Atom dual-core performance, and much better graphics, and an 11.6" screen, SOLD! Seriously, who's going to buy a 10" Intel netbook with 1024x600 resolution and a 10-20% smaller keyboard at the same price? And who would bother with an i3 dual-core and integrated graphics in a $400 system when you can get an A6 quad-core with 30%+ faster graphics, and better image quality?
As for brand recognition, I think you're neglecting the fact that typical consumers see "AMD world's first 8-core desktop" and they're just amazed. On top of that, for graphics cards it's now AMD and Nvidia. Having your graphics associated with what was the fastest GPU for about 3 months can't be a bad thing. Everyone still thinks of Intel GMA 3150 or 945 (both sucked, couldn't do 1080p) when they think of Intel integrated graphics. Sure, they're better now.. but as you say, perception.

You sound like an AMD spokesperson. Most desktop applications are still integer-based, and single-threaded, not hardware accelerated were the GPU would play a role. Considering that, Intel HD 3000 graphics are capable and can still play Skyrim at high settings at HD resolutions.

FYI, netbooks are dying. AMD is getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. They have no answer to Ultrabooks thats out. They will have their niche in the $399-499 price range like always.
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ULTRABOOKS need trinity so bADDD.
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You sound like an AMD spokesperson. Most desktop applications are still integer-based, and single-threaded, not hardware accelerated were the GPU would play a role. Considering that, Intel HD 3000 graphics are capable and can still play Skyrim at high settings at HD resolutions.
FYI, netbooks are dying. AMD is getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. They have no answer to Ultrabooks thats out. They will have their niche in the $399-499 price range like always.

Trinity plus dedicated GPU = awesome Ultrabook. Either way you try to spin it AMD has some very favorable mobile products compared to Intel.
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This should be put in consoles, instead of the other stuff. Use the IGPU for media playback/menu tasks, then a second, full on GPU (like the 6670) kicks in for gaming
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You sound like an AMD spokesperson. Most desktop applications are still integer-based, and single-threaded, not hardware accelerated were the GPU would play a role. Considering that, Intel HD 3000 graphics are capable and can still play Skyrim at high settings at HD resolutions.
FYI, netbooks are dying. AMD is getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. They have no answer to Ultrabooks thats out. They will have their niche in the $399-499 price range like always.

Skyrim performance aside (never played it, so I can't comment), the HD3k can't handle L4D and TF2 at 1366x760 without looking like a slideshow even at medium detail settings. It's an entirely different segment.

I don't disagree that what we call notebooks/netbooks at the moment will probably go away soon, they are not doing that yet--notebook/laptop/netbook sales have not gone down any, and AMD has increased its presence in that market. Ultrabooks...I don't know, maybe they missed their ticket to that race when they declined a contract for the macbook air when Apple approached them. That's yet to be seen as the ultrabook market itself is in its infancy.

But regardless, the "idiot" average user is more taken with graphical capabilities than how low a superpi 1M time is. Give them the ability to play a game at settings and performance greater than the next notebook with some other IGP, and they'll be happy. It doesn't negate the fact that the gpu in llano and other apus is better than anything else available without a dedicated card (and even with a dedicated card in some cases).

Give an average slob a choice between a $450 computer that can do most anything they want, or a $1000 computer that can get 10fps more in some game and I would be surprised if many people care much about the $1000 computer outside of the enthusiast community.

jbroad77 brought up a very good point--what most people recall about intel HD (or GMA) graphics until recently was that they couldn't even handle HD video playback, much less play a video game. THAT is a very important point. "ATI" on the other hand (now AMD) hasn't had to live up to that stigma, which gives them a lot of momentum moving forward.

Intel still reigns king with the fastest CPUs available to the consumer market, that's undeniable.
    
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Nice!!! Will probably be running my next laptop. thumb.gif
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Laptop is using FS1r2 instead. FM2 is strictly for desktop only. Typically you don't see BIOS update on laptop either. Very limited processor can be used at given laptop since thermal envelop is very tight.

Not like that matters a lot... As long as there is a BIOS available for newer processors (which most do, at least most I've worked with at the shop), it should be fine. Doesn't look like the thermal envelope is going to exceed 35W anytime soon, too thumb.gif
   
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No, it's only the successor to the proven best affordable gaming platform on a laptop ever made, nothing else rolleyes.gif

QFT. I'm actually only excited to see Trinity mobile. Trinity desktop doesn't mean much to me.
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