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You sound like an AMD spokesperson. Most desktop applications are still integer-based, and single-threaded, not hardware accelerated were the GPU would play a role. Considering that, Intel HD 3000 graphics are capable and can still play Skyrim at high settings at HD resolutions.

FYI, netbooks are dying. AMD is getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. They have no answer to Ultrabooks thats out. They will have their niche in the $399-499 price range like always.

AMD 6520G is still about 30% faster than HD 3000. Intel HD 4000 will give Intel a jump to 6620G performance in some games, but Trinity is out in a couple weeks - note this is before Intel will have Ivy Bridge mobile dual-cores out - and it'll be back to AMD on top, again.

So tell me, who would go with HD 3000 and an i3/i5 over Trinity for the month+ of time before IB dual-cores are out? Even when the dual-cores release, standard-voltage i3 and i5 won't bring much performance, and if AMD can even do 20% increase on CPU speed, they definitely will start to close the gap on single-threaded performance.

Netbooks aren't dying, per se. 10" netbooks are pretty much dead, this is due to AMD's success with their C-50 and E-350. Note that AMD never really had a presence in the 10-inchers, and consumers much prefer 1366x768 and W7 Home Premium to 1024x600 and W7 Starter. Consider that a "netbook" is a secondary laptop for a lot of people (myself included for about 1 year), so for $400 you can have something mobile when desired, and you can still have your 9 pound gaming laptop, your 17" workstation, etc. when needed. Anyways, all that aside, AMD will have Trinity "Ultrathins", basically an Ultrabook clone with a 17W Trinity quad and overall similar performance to a 35W Llano A6. And these Ultrathins will be priced in the $5-600 range, these will sell like crazy. Personally, I would throw oodles of cash at Toshiba for a Portege Z835 with a 17W Trinity if it was priced at $600. I'd imagine people would do the same for an Asus Zenbook with Trinity for $700-750. Heck, or even a Macbook Air Trinity for $800 / $1100 (11" / 13"). Just realize that a huge cost of Ultrabooks is the $300 i5 or $400 i7 ULV CPU. Saying that, competition will be tough, and Intel is going to be forced to drop pricing on ULV's to compete with 17W Trinity.


As for AMD having a niche in the $400-500 price range like always - what are you talking about? Lenovo didn't have a single AMD laptop until the X100e and Phenom II mobile line, I believe that was 2010. Now, most Lenovo consumer models have an Intel and AMD version. If you think Athlon 64 X2 or Turion 64 X2 mobile had a non-negligible market presence, you're mistaken. They were less popular than Celeron single-cores at the $300-350 price range.
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And if you think about it with our APU strategy that I mentioned, with the next-generation product, Trinity APU, we already are well ahead of the pace last year when we set a record-setting year for design wins with the Trinity product in 2012
http://lazure2.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/amd-2012-13-a-new-windows-8-strategy-expanded-with-ultra-low-power-apus-for-the-tablets-and-fanless-clients/

Basically, you're either in denial or have a lack of foresight if you can't see that AMD is stronger now than ever in the mobile sector.

As for HD 3000, let me know when they can play movies at 23.976FPS. As a fair warning, "24FPS" is actually 23.976FPS. And last I checked, HD 3000 can only play video at 24.000FPS, leading to a dropped frame every 40 seconds. This is unacceptable, unless you really enjoy mediocre graphics quality. And it's clearly not fit for HTPC use.
 
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Amd Trinity will have an Ultathin to compete with Ultrabook. It will be a 17 watt ULV Trinity that has a price point of $500 - $600. So to the person who thinks that trinity won't compete with Ultrabooks check this
www.pcworld.com/article/249267/amd_targets_ultrabooks_shows_18mm_trinity_notebook
Edited by Slaughterem - 4/30/12 at 7:47pm
post #53 of 329
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AMD 6520G is still about 30% faster than HD 3000. Intel HD 4000 will give Intel a jump to 6620G performance in some games, but Trinity is out in a couple weeks - note this is before Intel will have Ivy Bridge mobile dual-cores out - and it'll be back to AMD on top, again.
So tell me, who would go with HD 3000 and an i3/i5 over Trinity for the month+ of time before IB dual-cores are out? Even when the dual-cores release, standard-voltage i3 and i5 won't bring much performance, and if AMD can even do 20% increase on CPU speed, they definitely will start to close the gap on single-threaded performance.
Netbooks aren't dying, per se. 10" netbooks are pretty much dead, this is due to AMD's success with their C-50 and E-350. Note that AMD never really had a presence in the 10-inchers, and consumers much prefer 1366x768 and W7 Home Premium to 1024x600 and W7 Starter. Consider that a "netbook" is a secondary laptop for a lot of people (myself included for about 1 year), so for $400 you can have something mobile when desired, and you can still have your 9 pound gaming laptop, your 17" workstation, etc. when needed. Anyways, all that aside, AMD will have Trinity "Ultrathins", basically an Ultrabook clone with a 17W Trinity quad and overall similar performance to a 35W Llano A6. And these Ultrathins will be priced in the $5-600 range, these will sell like crazy. Personally, I would throw oodles of cash at Toshiba for a Portege Z835 with a 17W Trinity if it was priced at $600. I'd imagine people would do the same for an Asus Zenbook with Trinity for $700-750. Heck, or even a Macbook Air Trinity for $800 / $1100 (11" / 13"). Just realize that a huge cost of Ultrabooks is the $300 i5 or $400 i7 ULV CPU. Saying that, competition will be tough, and Intel is going to be forced to drop pricing on ULV's to compete with 17W Trinity.
As for AMD having a niche in the $400-500 price range like always - what are you talking about? Lenovo didn't have a single AMD laptop until the X100e and Phenom II mobile line, I believe that was 2010. Now, most Lenovo consumer models have an Intel and AMD version. If you think Athlon 64 X2 or Turion 64 X2 mobile had a non-negligible market presence, you're mistaken. They were less popular than Celeron single-cores at the $300-350 price range.
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And if you think about it with our APU strategy that I mentioned, with the next-generation product, Trinity APU, we already are well ahead of the pace last year when we set a record-setting year for design wins with the Trinity product in 2012
http://lazure2.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/amd-2012-13-a-new-windows-8-strategy-expanded-with-ultra-low-power-apus-for-the-tablets-and-fanless-clients/
Basically, you're either in denial or have a lack of foresight if you can't see that AMD is stronger now than ever in the mobile sector.
As for HD 3000, let me know when they can play movies at 23.976FPS. As a fair warning, "24FPS" is actually 23.976FPS. And last I checked, HD 3000 can only play video at 24.000FPS, leading to a dropped frame every 40 seconds. This is unacceptable, unless you really enjoy mediocre graphics quality. And it's clearly not fit for HTPC use.

Where is your church, and how do I sign up.

On a more serious note, +rep good sir.
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Interesting.

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Wait, what?

What do you mean, what?
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You sound like an AMD spokesperson. Most desktop applications are still integer-based, and single-threaded, not hardware accelerated were the GPU would play a role. Considering that, Intel HD 3000 graphics are capable and can still play Skyrim at high settings at HD resolutions.
FYI, netbooks are dying. AMD is getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. They have no answer to Ultrabooks thats out. They will have their niche in the $399-499 price range like always.

Intel HD 4000 might be more capable than HD 3000 but nowhere near AMD HD 6550. Go have a look at anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/9

Total War shogun 2, Portal 2, Civilization V show the HD 4000 slaughtered in shader bound and compute bound scenarios. In Crysis Warhead and Battlefield 3 HD 6550 is 30% faster than HD 4000.

On the desktop Trinity A8/A10 will increase the graphics performance gap with Core i3. Trinity is going to have better integer performance than Llano. In FP apps like Cinebench R11.5 Trinity might fall behind Llano and be close to Ivy bridge dual core core i3 (with HT). But thats not the entire point . AMD is focusing to run more and more apps like Cinebench R11.5 , Adobe Photoshop on the GPU. Even MS Office has GPU acceleration in MS Powerpoint for visual effects. These are popular desktop apps. The following article should give a clear idea about AMD's strategy

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-adobe-r-creative-suite-120000551.html

AMD is going to push aggressively with HSA and OpenCL. Intel is far behind in architectural integration. They have just done physical integration of iGPU with CPU on a single die. So CPU performance alone will not matter. Its entire SOC (CPU + iGPU) performance , that will matter. By 2013 AMD will have GCN architecture based APUs which will take HSA integration and GPU compute a big step forward .

As for ultrabooks wait till AMD's Trinity based ultrathins are out in June. AMD will not replace Intel in the high end notebook market space above USD 800 which will be core i7 quad core with discrete GPUs. But below that they will be very competitive. And thats where they are aiming at , the volume segment. You will have Brazos 2 ultrathins at USD 400. Trinity dual core ultrathins at USD 500. Trinity quad core ultra thins at USD 600 - 700. And FYI you sound like you are not in touch with reality about how architectures are evolving in the SOC era smile.gif The idea is to run apps with the best performance and most power efficient manner in an SOC. It doesn't matter which part of the SOC it runs on (CPU or iGPU).
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Intel HD 3000 graphics are capable and can still play Skyrim at high settings at HD resolutions.
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420
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I'd hate to see what happens at high.
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I'd hate to see what happens at high.

Well, at least HD 4000 can max out Minecraft...

420


Wait a minute... ! lachen.gif Really hope nobody gets a desktop/laptop with HD 4000 for gaming.
 
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Well, at least HD 4000 can max out Minecraft...
420
Wait a minute... ! lachen.gif Really hope nobody gets a desktop/laptop with HD 4000 for gaming.

But what happens when you're not gaming on your laptop? We are discussing Trinity here aren't we?

Trinity BETTER improve Single thread performance.

400
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Trinity will have better integer performance than Llano and turbo speeds of 2.7 - 3.2 Ghz for the A10- 4600M for most apps when the GPU is not doing much work . So that should take care of single threaded or lightly threaded apps.

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nEO_IMG_trinity-6.jpg

For FP performance have a look at Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL

http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=101&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=21

A8-3850 is more than 2 times faster than i7 2600k. Why use the CPU when you have a much more powerful GPU suited for 3D rendering , video editing , image processing workloads smile.gif
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