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post #141 of 183
So what about lapping these processors? Does it seem worth it?
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Originally Posted by samwiches View Post

In frame rates it's got the the same 5-10% improvement as the rest of the benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k/9

Why wasn't the 3570k compared in that list? Isn't it the successor to the 2550k?
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No body ever mentions the fact that the 3D transistors push heat to its neighbor so to speak and that the heat is focused vertically rather than horizontally. What if Ivy Bridge E had pitched roof transistors then all the heat would be focused up words and not transfer over to its nearest neighbor and you would get greater contact still then the traditional flat transistor. We never know what will be different on Ivy Bridge - E. My personal opinion is that 3D transistors should be for power saving low TDP chips. But Enthusiast chips should be flat or pitched transistors for extreme voltages with superb cooling. But doesn't mean anything I have no idea what Intel will end up doing.
 
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post #144 of 183
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So what about lapping these processors? Does it seem worth it?

http://www.eteknix.com/news/ivy-bridge-heat-problems-remain-even-after-ihs-removal/

I would like to see this attempted again, absolutely ensuring that mount is flawless, and showing it. But it looks like the Ivy core just cooks from inside if complete IHS delete didn't help.

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Originally Posted by samwiches View Post

In frame rates it's got the the same 5-10% improvement as the rest of the benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k/9

Why wasn't the 3570k compared in that list? Isn't it the successor to the 2550k?


More like the 2500K, and yes one of those would have been good to see. But I don't think the results would be any different for the 3570K.
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post #145 of 183
You know.. we could always lap the die casing just a tad. I bet that will help with cooling. rolleyes.gif

If it's going to get better (of any significance I doubt) it will be through further revisions or steppings of the cpu, not through improved cooling above the chip.

Darn thing is small. I can't even realistically fathom just how small and dense this chip is.

22nm

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post #146 of 183
Quote:
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You know.. we could always lap the die casing just a tad. I bet that will help with cooling. rolleyes.gif
If it's going to get better (of any significance I doubt) it will be through further revisions or steppings of the cpu, not through improved cooling above the chip.
Darn thing is small. I can't even realistically fathom just how small and dense this chip is.
22nm
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well last time i checked 32nm is small. 45nm too.
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post #147 of 183
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well last time i checked 32nm is small. 45nm too.

22nm has half the area of 32nm. Likewise, 32nm has half the area of 45nm.
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well last time i checked 32nm is small. 45nm too.

and 90 and anything with nm on the end of it tongue.gif.

Those are easier to imagine though.

After haswell and 14nm, we will be close to the width of DNA (2-12nm).

Freaking spectacular.
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After a few days of playing with 3570k and thinking about how hot it runs compared to SB I have come to peace with it all.

The chip runs hot because the 22nm die size has less surface area to displace heat and because of the design of the Tri-gate transistors. Changing the TIM to Fluxless Solder may not really make much of a difference to help dissipate heat because of the small 22nm surface area of the IB die.

IB uses less voltage and power than SB.

IB Max TJ is higher than SB so even though the heat is hotter it is not going to hurt the chip. It is designed to run hotter. Tri-gate transistors in IB run hotter but that is normal.

My guess is that the actual atomic structure of the material of the IB over all design is a better at conducting electricity and has a lower resistance design which allows it to perform better with lower voltages and withstand the higher heat.

My biggest surprise with this cpu is how well it pairs up with my GTX 560 ti 448 for gaming. Gaming feels much more snappier than my 2500k ever felt. I am using the same MSI Z68 MB for IB that I ran my 2500k in.
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My i7 3770k under a H100 with push Gentle Typhoon AP-14s in Small FFT burn @ 4.2Ghz and 1.1v with a 24C ambient environment wink.gif Not the most stressful test, but it's a nice surprise. Either my temperature monitor is in error or Ivy runs perfectly cool when not being pumped full of voltage.

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The new process definitely presents new challenges, but I'm superbly satisfied smile.gif
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