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Hi there!
I'm new to overclocking and I'm about to do my first attempt. I've read some tutorials offered by this forum and others and I understood the general ideea and steps. However, like any newbie I do have some questions and I would rather have them cleared up before taking action.

So, first thing's first: my PC setup.

cpu: intel q9450 [2.66 GhZ / 45nm / FSB 1333(333x8) / voltage range 0.85-1.36]

MB: Gigabyte GA EP45 - DS 4 [ NB: P45 / SB: icH10R / FSB: 1600/1333/1066/800 / updated BIOS v. F9]

RAM: 4 x 1024 Kingmax DDR2 1066 5-5-5-18

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11

video card: Asus EAH3870 [ GPU: 850 MHz (55nm, bus: 256) / RAM: 512 GDDR4( memory clock: 1143)

PSU: Antec basic power 500W

case: Aerocool RS-9 [ size: 200x443x446; up to 4 fans; Fan controller ] (about to buy it)
CPU fan: undecided


I've searched the forum here and there and I saw many OC q9450 up to 3.6Ghz(450x8). This is actually what I entend to achieve. However, I couldn't find any info on the cooling solution used. I came up with a list of modern air cooling fans, however budget is an issue. Here's the list:

1) Noctua NH-U9B SE2 (79 $)

2) Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 PRO (58 $)

3) Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus (51 $)

Do you guys think one of these would do the trick? What would you pick? Is Noctua even good for OC gaming PCs or more for silent HTPC? (Since I mentioned that money is an issue, I'd rather go for No 2 or 3 though, unless it's a big difference in cooling).


question no2 - related to the MB FSB - In theory, is overclocking the BUS for CPU and RAM limited by the MB's specification? In my case max FSB is 1600. If I push my CPU and RAM over that, will I increase my hardware stats? Or do they stop?

question no3 - northbridge temperature - Again, nobody said anything about the NB chipset's temperatures on their OC guides. My motherboard has stock passive cooling. Should I worry about this?

question no4 - RAM - From the guides and tutorials, I understood that the RAM's clockspeed should be as close to the CPU's clockspeed. My RAM doesn't even have passive cooling. Do they overheat? People told me that RAM cooling shouldn't be even considered. I heard that RAMs even OCed, should work fine as long as they don't go over a voltage rate written on the product's specification?! I'm quite confused.

I look forward to reading ur answers and TY to those who are willing to help. I will keep the thread updated with my progress, especially when I start to tinker the BIOS stats.

@moderators: The last questions aren't regarded to CPUs, I have read the rules, but they are somehow related. If I, infact, have to make 4 threads, please edit my post.
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Hi there!
I'm new to overclocking and I'm about to do my first attempt. I've read some tutorials offered by this forum and others and I understood the general ideea and steps. However, like any newbie I do have some questions and I would rather have them cleared up before taking action.
I've searched the forum here and there and I saw many OC q9450 up to 3.6Ghz(450x8). This is actually what I entend to achieve. However, I couldn't find any info on the cooling solution used. I came up with a list of modern air cooling fans, however budget is an issue. Here's the list:
1) Noctua NH-U9B SE2 (79 $)
2) Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 PRO (58 $)
3) Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus (51 $)
Do you guys think one of these would do the trick? What would you pick? Is Noctua even good for OC gaming PCs or more for silent HTPC? (Since I mentioned that money is an issue, I'd rather go for No 2 or 3 though, unless it's a big difference in cooling).
idk much about those coolers since i've been water cooling the past few years. however, i know the Noctua NH-D14 is one of the best air coolers, and i've seen them in the fs section for ~$60.
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question no2 - related to the MB FSB - In theory, is overclocking the BUS for CPU and RAM limited by the MB's specification? In my case max FSB is 1600. If I push my CPU and RAM over that, will I increase my hardware stats? Or do they stop?
yes, but gigabyte's p45 is the arguably the best 775 chipset. and yes, the rated fsb can go over 1600. at 4ghz, mine was at 2000. at 3.6ghz, your fsb should be 1800.
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question no3 - northbridge temperature - Again, nobody said anything about the NB chipset's temperatures on their OC guides. My motherboard has stock passive cooling. Should I worry about this?
don't worry about it. i took my NB to 500 without any problems. the heatsink on the DS-4 is big enough that it should be fine as long as there is decent airflow in your case.
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question no4 - RAM - From the guides and tutorials, I understood that the RAM's clockspeed should be as close to the CPU's clockspeed. My RAM doesn't even have passive cooling. Do they overheat? People told me that RAM cooling shouldn't be even considered. I heard that RAMs even OCed, should work fine as long as they don't go over a voltage rate written on the product's specification?! I'm quite confused.
I look forward to reading ur answers and TY to those who are willing to help. I will keep the thread updated with my progress, especially when I start to tinker the BIOS stats.
if you're aiming for 3.6ghz, then your fsb would be 450. if you keep your ram at 1:1, then your ram should run at 900mhz which is actually under-clocking your ram. since they don't have heatspreaders, just keep them under 1066mhz and you should be fine.

good luck with your oc, hope this helps. thumb.gif
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Hello again!
Thank you for your reply Travesty. It was of much help!
After some more research I decided upon AC freezer 13 pro. I came across a temperature chart and this cooler was comparable to antec kuhler h2o 620.
I received my new case and cooler today, and well.... my CPU on default setting is now on 30 degrees celsius while running world of tanks on full detail.
I'll re-read again the tutorials in the next days and post some numbers soon enough D:
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Hello once more! It's been a while since I made the first posts, however just recently I managed to try to OC and I said "try" because I didnt succeed. :/

This is what I did so far:
At first i tried a bunch of configurations I read from other users from the forum, but it was a wild shot and it always ended in instability
After that I did it by the book:
- I increased the clock speed from 333 to 350, 375, 400, 385
- I had my DRAM on 2.00B setting [so the FSB ratio is 1:1]
- I left the rest on auto (i've read that lots of ppl made it up to 3.2ghz w/o messing with the voltage, i guess i'm not one of them)

I used CoreTemp to monitor the temperatures, superPI and OCCT for stresstesting.
Once I reached 385 [3.08ghz] core #2 fails smile.gif
EDIT: : I went back to FSB 375 for a longer stresstest. Apparently, after 40min, even this setting is unstable as Core #3 fails.
Next step should be increasing the voltage. However I am quite confused on which is which or how to determine the normal voltage(by default, everything is on auto).

CPU voltage: Vcore, termination, PLL, Reference, Reference 2
Northbirdge: MHC Core, MHC Reference, MHC/DRAM Reference, ICH I/O, ICH core
DRAM: voltage, termination, channel A reference, channel B reference

So the highlighted are the proper volts, but what are the rest? Is there a ratio to maintain, or something that i need to have in mind when I set these up?

Personal conclusion:
At 400 clockspeed [3.2ghz], I had 59 degrees on core #1. So i guess I can't go higher than this with my cooling.
Edited by Arkai - 8/12/12 at 4:38am
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These CPU's are fine till 65-70c on the cores mate. Auto vCore is also usually very high at around 3.2 so I aint surprized u got 59c.
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These CPU's are fine till 65-70c on the cores mate. Auto vCore is also usually very high at around 3.2 so I aint surprized u got 59c.

^ Yup. Intel rates these CPU's to 71.4*c, though you'll be OK up to 80, most likely. Keep on OC'ing!
 
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Hey,

Good job on the motherboard, RAM, and processor choice. All great overclockers. Now, I wouldn't really choose any of those coolers. They're either too expensive, nickel plated copper (Which reduces heat transfer), or just plain not right.

Here's a couple coolers I'd personally choose for that setup (If you like watercooling, I will include this list too).

- Xigmatec Dark Knight

- EVGA "Superclock" CPU Cooler

- Thermaltake Frio Advanced


...Watercooling Options...

- Corsair Hydro H60
(Currently own it).

- Corsair Hydro H100
(If you have 2x120 mounts next to eachother in your case)

- Antec Kuhler H20 920
(Recently used a 620 in fiancee's brothers build.)



Now, since that is all done, just make sure even static pressure is in your case (Airflow) and make sure there's plenty coming out, and going in. If you get one of these coolers, it should dramatically help reduce temperature.
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@Nvidia-Brownies: I'm affraid it's a little too late now to reconsider the cooling gear.
@Imprezzion: Fair enough, I was truly hopping for 3.6ghz, so it is possible in the end, hell yeah!
Edited by Arkai - 9/20/12 at 12:07pm
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Here I am once more re-retrying to pimp out my rig .
I made a few upgrades to the system (Kingston HyperX 3k & Gigabyte GTX 660 OC) so now I am even more interested in OCing my q9450 grandpa.

My last attempts to OC didn't go too high and actually the "closest frequency to stable"(and by this I mean, I was still getting a crash once in a while) was of 3ghz. I wanna do it right this time, so I reflashed my BIOS, fresh OS, factory settings and I started memtest86 just for the sake of not going nuts about OC not working whilst having faulty rig. Atm, I got 6h20min*** and counting with all my 4 memory sticks on (4 x kingmax ddr2 1066mhz)...

There are still a bunch of BIOS settings I don't seem to understand and some of them are mentioned by users who succesfully OCed a CPU model like mine (eg: VTT, MCH - i figured they are related to the northbridge but I don't recall any OC tutorial mentioning about anything else besides clock speed, ram and voltage).
I am unsure of when I should start meddling with other settings beside the CPU base clock, vCore and RAM divider, vdimm.


***EDIT: i ran the test for 13h with no errors
Edited by Arkai - 12/17/12 at 7:04am
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