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Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if I posted this in the right spot, but I"ll ask it all the same.

I am at the beginning stage of saving for a new computer. I want a MONSTER gaming machine!! I usually just buy something off the shelf and then buy a $150-$200 video card and use that for a few years. New games that come out I have to play on the lowest settings and it still doesn't perform the way I want it. I'm SICK of it! It's time for a grown ass mans machine. What I want to use the machine for is running any game on the highest possible settings (maybe even tweaking them if possible to make it look and run even better). I would like to jump on the bandwagon of recording my games. I would like to have the option to run the games on their most insane settings while recording with best quality without noticing a difference or lag and instant tabbing in and out of games while recording. Or even watching videos with overlay on top of my games. No lag whatsoever.

I've been out of the loop for quite sometime now. So I've been doing research on random sites. It's just as confusing as it ever was, if not more so. Obviously, the easiest route is to have Alienware build it for me. Here is what I came up with.

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7-3960X (Six Core Extreme, 15MB Cache,Overclocked up to 4.2Ghz)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Ultimate, 64Bit, English
VIDEO CARD 3GB DDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 7950
HARD DRIVE 2TB RAID 1+0 (4x 1TB SATA 3Gb/s) 7200 RPM
SOUND CARD Creative Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ Titanium
OPTICAL DRIVE Single Drive: Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BD-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW)

I'm willing to drop $4000. Obviously, I don't want to if I don't have to. Any suggestions and / or tips would be appreciated. Also, just on a side note, I don't have any friends to build one for me. So having a company / store build it for me is kind of my only option.

Thanks!
post #2 of 34
First of all, welcome to OCN!

Keep in mind how diminishing returns works on a computer. $2,000 to $2,500 is probably a good "max" budget for just a tower, not including a monitor.

Please don't buy an alineware. Build it yourself. Here, at OCN, you have access to probably over 10,000 people who build computers from scratch on a regular basis. We won't let you fail. It's not that hard. We can give you all the support you need. We are the experts! If you can read, you can put a computer together yourself.

If you want the "fastest" computer, we here at OCN can put together a computer that can run circles around any Alienware on the market. Also, companies like alienware put parts that hold you back from your systems fullest overclocking potential.

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CPU - Your wasting your money on things that won't actually help you. 1.) A I5 is just as good at running games as a I7. If your doing video and photo encoding, get a I7. If you want to do games, get a I5. 2.) The extreme editions are a waste of money. Get a I5 2500K. They are 3.2 GHz stock, but i overclock mine to 4.7 GHz 24/7 on air cooling. Trust me, it's all the processor you need. Seriously, spend the money your save with a cheaper processor on a GPU and SSD. In this system, your GPU is going to be your bottleneck.

GPU- From what you described you want to do, your gonna want a beefier GPU. A HD 7950 will bottleneck long before any I5 (or I7 for that matter) bottlenecks your system. Take all that money you saving by getting a 2500K instead of a i7-3960X, and buy a Nvidia GTX 680.

HDD- Go with a Samsung Spinpoint F3. They are faster and cheaper than the WD blacks.

SSD- Your willing to drop $4,000 on a PC, but no SSD? Tisk tisk. Seriously, look into a 120 Gb or 240 Gb SSD. Put Windows and a few games on the SSD, and put your music and movies on the HDD RAID array. That is what i did. It works great. If money is no issue, get a 256 Gb Crucial M4 .

PSU- Without doing any math, 800 Watts or more feels about right. Corsair or OCZ is always a good choice. I would recommend a Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850. PSU's at 1000Watt or over are for SLi and crossfire systems. If you want the option to upgrade to x2 GTX 680's in the future...you would want to buy something over 1000watts, i can crunch the numbers if we decided to go that route.

Case- I am a little biased here. I have a HAF-X, and i think it's the best thing since sliced bread. That's my recommendation. A NZXT Phantom, Antec DF-85, Corsair Obsidian Series 650D, or a Xigmatek Elysium would be solid choices as well.

Sound Card- You pick your sound card to match your speakers. A expensive sound card won't sound any better if you don't got fancy speakers. If your buying a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi™ Titanium, then i hope you have a high-end $100+ sound system. If you have a cheap set of $20 generic computer speakers, then on-board sound is all your ever need. Most "high end" motherboards come with really amazing onboard sound.

Mobo Go Z77 chipset please. ASrock and MSI has the best stuff on the market. I really like the ASRock Z77 Professional for alot of reasons. :-)

CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE. It is simply the best air cooling you can buy (some might argue that). It is air cooling that will outperform most liquid cooling system. Plus it's just bad ass.

RAM 8Gb or 16Gb. If budgets not a option, go with 16Gb. Your gonna need something to clear that CPU heat sink if you go with my recommendation. In that case, i'd look at G.SKILL Ares Series.

Others your blue-ray drive is fine. Get a card reader if your actually use it. if your getting a new keyboard, monitor, and mouse we can help with that.

*whew* that took me like 20 minutes to type. I sure hope i can talk you into building it yourself and that wasn't all a waste of my time. If you go off my parts list, you will have a one-of-a-kind monster (that is better than Alienware).
Edited by crimsontears809739 - 4/30/12 at 7:47pm
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If you only have 1 monitor, and you want performance and are willing to spend to money, then a GTX 680, a 2500k, a 3 tb Seagate Barracuda (for space, has amazing speed due to 1 tb per platter), and a 256 gb SSD. Add in a board, case, cooler, and such...
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For Gaming on $4K I'd Grab a 2500k, a 680, a 30" Dell or HP Hi Res monitor, the most comfortable chair I could find, Very Solid headphones with Amp, and maybe a mini fridge (seriously).
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Originally Posted by crimsontears809739 View Post

First of all, welcome to OCN!
Keep in mind how diminishing returns works on a computer. $2,000 to $2,500 is probably a good "max" budget for just a tower, not including a monitor.
Please don't buy an alineware. Build it yourself. Here, at OCN, you have access to probably over 10,000 people who build computers from scratch on a regular basis. We won't let you fail. It's not that hard. We can give you all the support you need.
CPU - Your wasting your money on things that won't actually help you. 1.) A I5 is just as good at running games as a I7. If your doing video and photo encoding, get a I7. If you want to do games, get a I5. 2.) The extreme editions are a waste of money. Get a I5 2500K. They are 3.2 GHz stock, but i overclock mine 4.7 GHz 24/7 on air cooling. Trust me, it's all the processor you need.
GPU- From what you described you want to go, your gonna want a beefier GPU. A HD 7950 will bottleneck long before any I5 (or I7 for that matter) bottlenecks your system. Take all that money you saving by getting a 2500K instead of a i7-3960X, and buy a Nvidia GTX 680.
HDD- Go with a Samsung Spinpoint F3. They are faster and cheaper than the WD blacks.
SSD Your willing to drop $4,000 on a PC, but no SSD? Tisk tisk. Seriously, look into a 120 Gb or 240 Gb SSD. Put Windows and a few games on the SSD, and put your music and movies on the HDD RAID array. That is what i did. It works great. If money is no issue, get a 256 Gb Crucial M4 .
PSU-

I am gong to have to disagree on one major point here.....

Since you are going to be recording, streaming, and the like while playing you are actually going the right direction for your processor. The Core i5 2500K and the new IvyBridge variation are fantastic gaming processors, no doubt. However they do fall short when you start loading your machine down with recording/streaming while gaming. The Hyper-threading of the i7 line, either the 2600K/2700K or the option you went, is going to help a lot when you start doing this.

So pass on the venerable 2500K and go with the Hyper-threaded brethren.

Video card, I would step it up a little as well, maybe grab a 4GB GTX 680 or in your $4000 budget get the new GTX 690 when it hits, this will take care of you for a long time.

Also, get a good SSD, maybe a 240GB to put your OS and favorite games on, use a couple of HDD for storage.

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For Gaming on $4K I'd Grab a 2500k, a 680, a 30" Dell or HP Hi Res monitor, the most comfortable chair I could find, Very Solid headphones with Amp, and maybe a mini fridge (seriously).

I second the mini fridge....seriously.
    
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Excellent suggestions. Thank you!

Also, I didn't realize this could all be done here. That's really good to know as well. smile.gif
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Yeah, for just gaming you can build a Very solid rig rig for like $1600 or less before you get in to your peripherals like the Monitors and Audio. For $4K you could get 680 SLI and 3 monitor Surround. Personally I'd start off with 1 680 and 1 High Res 30" and see if that treated me well enough before committing that extra cash to the extra card and monitors. Especially when a top of the line monitor is $1,000+.
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So far that's 3 votes for a GTX 680, a 250 Gb SSD, and a mini-fridge!

PostalTwinkie - yeah....after thinking what you said now i am kind of on the fence about the 2500K/2600K/2700K. hmmm...

AccessDenied89, lol.....you considering building it yourself yet? Pllleeeaaaasssseee?

EDIT: Also, why RAID 0+1, why not RAID 5? lol, i bet Alienware doesn't even offer a GTX 680 or RAID 5.
Edited by crimsontears809739 - 4/30/12 at 8:05pm
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First, welcome to OCN. biggrin.gif

Please consider building the PC yourself, if you get stuck while assembling it just write here and a lot of members will help you.
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post #10 of 34
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So far that's 3 votes for a GTX 680, a 250 Gb SSD, and a mini-fridge!
PostalTwinkie - yeah....after thinking what you said now i am kind of on the fence about the 2500K/2600K/2700K. hmmm...
AccessDenied89, lol.....you considering building it yourself yet? Pllleeeaaaasssseee?
EDIT: Also, why RAID 0+1, why not RAID 5? lol, i bet Alienware doesn't even offer a GTX 680 or RAID 5.

While you can RAID Solid State Drives together the performance gain isn't that much at all in RAID 0 or any other RAID configuration designed to boost performance.

On the processor struggle you are having, look at it this way; In the greater scheme of things the cost difference isn't that high compared to what you are looking at spending. Even if you do not end up going crazy with the streaming and video capture right away, your system will be more than capable for when you do make the decision. Additionally most people that start out just streaming or video cap, end up editing on some level. It is just a natural progression that I have seen many many times.
    
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