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I think what he's trying to say is that with better cooling you have a higher headroom on your OC. With better cooling you'll be able to squeeze out a couple more Mhz on your OC if you want to run it to the max or just have a cooler OC for better chip lifespan.
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Originally Posted by slpnshot View Post

I think what he's trying to say is that with better cooling you have a higher headroom on your OC. With better cooling you'll be able to squeeze out a couple more Mhz on your OC if you want to run it to the max or just have a cooler OC for better chip lifespan.

Exactly, your not going to reach 4.5Ghz, Intel or AMD, with a 212+.

You're focusing too much on the ambient cooling with your x5 Gentle Typhoons. While air overclocking does produce alot of heat you need to exhale in the shortest distance, you should be alot more focused on your actual direct contact with the CPU chip. You should be spending your time looking at different CPU heatsink cooling options rather than the other fans in the case. Spend you money on a nice air cooler, for 4.5Ghz, you should really be looking at something like a Noctua NH-D14. Even then, depending on your chip you may get mixed results. Dish the money for a hefty air cooler, THEN worry about the other fans. If I were you, I'd switch to the Bitfenix Spectre Pro Fans (once again, at FrozenCPU). I'm running 3 in the top of my Cosmos S and they are a dream. They're cheaper, and give a good amount of airflow for what you're using them for. IF you were watercooling, yes go Gentle Typhoon.

What I meant with the Hyper 212 is that it gives a great about of headroom for beginner overclockers (example: bringing my Thuban 1090T from 3.2Ghz to 3.6-3.8Ghz). 4.5Ghz is not even close to "beginner" because now your going to be playing with voltages, FSB, and lots of other fun things that cause your heat to increase at a very exponential rate.

Unfortunately, my advice probably doesn't stay within your budget, but 4.5Ghz on an Intel chip (or any chip for that matter) at a comfortable temperature won't exactly be decently priced.

Hope this helps =)
post #13 of 35
Actually I don't mean to be devil's advocate but I have a three fan setup with a 212 evo and I can run 4.5 stable. With aftermarket air cooling most 25/600k's should be able to reach 4.5 with ease. The temps might run a bit closer to the edge of my comfort zone but its certainly not averaging 90 on load or anything.

On a side note the 212 evo probably cools the CPU by 2-3c at most compared to the 212+ from what I remember of reviews.
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post #14 of 35
No apology needed! Great input, thanks for clarification of the EVO and the Plus.

I guess I probably should have definately "comfortable temperature" as well. Guess it all depends on your chip too.

Another reason I reccommend something bigger than the 212 is because your gonna hit 4.5Ghz, and say to yourself: "Wait, if I can get stable at 4.5Ghz, how high CAN I get?". It's happened both to me and most of my friends who overclock, with a bigger cooler, you can probably answer that question by trial and error.

Don't get me wrong, I love the CM 212 and respect slpnshot's opinion, but I would rather see you get something bigger and run the temps lower @ 4.5. That's just my two cents, but ultimately I know what it's like to be on a budget, do what YOU think is best!redface.gif
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Originally Posted by slpnshot View Post

Actually I don't mean to be devil's advocate but I have a three fan setup with a 212 evo and I can run 4.5 stable. With aftermarket air cooling most 25/600k's should be able to reach 4.5 with ease. The temps might run a bit closer to the edge of my comfort zone but its certainly not averaging 90 on load or anything.
On a side note the 212 evo probably cools the CPU by 2-3c at most compared to the 212+ from what I remember of reviews.

What kind of temperatures are you running with that 3 fan setup and OC to 4.5?
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When it comes to setting up your build, there are many things to consider, not just pick the best fan and install them wherever they fit!

1. Airflow - Positive air pressure typically yields lower temperatures in your system overall. Keep in mind installing a fan wherever it fits might not necessarily yield the best temperatures. You will have to play around with it a bit! There's a tremendously informative thread in the air cooling section about how to pick a case, and more importantly how to set it up for optimum cooling.

2. What you want the fan to do:

For case intake and exhaust, you want fans that have strong airflow. If you can fit a 140mm fan in place of a 120, you can probably find yourself experiencing similar if not better temps with lower noise. Fans like the Gelid Wing 14 or Aerocool shark 140 are great in situations like this. Gentle Typhoons are decent, but you can definitely find cheaper, quieter, and higher CFM fans.

For heatsinks and radiators you want to get fans that have good static pressure, this is where all the Gentle Typhoons really shine. They strike a very nice balance between noise and static pressure. Personally, I would skip the GT and go with a TY-140 where possible. There's another catch though. Let's say you buy a 212 for 25 bucks. Assuming you pick up two GT AP-15 for 15 bucks a pop, that is 15+15+25 = 55 assuming no tax and free shipping for simplicity. If S.Korea prices are anything like the ones here in HK, you can pick up a Cogage Arrow which will out-perform the 212+ with less hassle.
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When it comes to setting up your build, there are many things to consider, not just pick the best fan and install them wherever they fit!
1. Airflow - Positive air pressure typically yields lower temperatures in your system overall. Keep in mind installing a fan wherever it fits might not necessarily yield the best temperatures. You will have to play around with it a bit! There's a tremendously informative thread in the air cooling section about how to pick a case, and more importantly how to set it up for optimum cooling.
2. What you want the fan to do:
For case intake and exhaust, you want fans that have strong airflow. If you can fit a 140mm fan in place of a 120, you can probably find yourself experiencing similar if not better temps with lower noise. Fans like the Gelid Wing 14 or Aerocool shark 140 are great in situations like this. Gentle Typhoons are decent, but you can definitely find cheaper, quieter, and higher CFM fans.
For heatsinks and radiators you want to get fans that have good static pressure, this is where all the Gentle Typhoons really shine. They strike a very nice balance between noise and static pressure. Personally, I would skip the GT and go with a TY-140 where possible. There's another catch though. Let's say you buy a 212 for 25 bucks. Assuming you pick up two GT AP-15 for 15 bucks a pop, that is 15+15+25 = 55 assuming no tax and free shipping for simplicity. If S.Korea prices are anything like the ones here in HK, you can pick up a Cogage Arrow which will out-perform the 212+ with less hassle.

I actually already have a 212 installed on my CPU. w/o water cooling I'm looking to push 4.0GHZ + on air cooling.

also after reading http://www.overclock.net/t/63349/n-sanitys-guide-to-fans he states that Negative pressure setups will yield a slightly lower system temperature
Edited by ginja-ninja - 5/3/12 at 7:11am
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something like this possibly?
- Scythe DFS123812-3000 ULTRA KAZE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185054
or
- Scythe SY1225SL12SH 120mm Slipstream http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185060

I have an NZXT 410 Phantom. Which has room for;

Front - x2 120mm or x1 140mm
Rear - x1 120mm
Side - x1 120mm or x1 140mm
Top - x2 120mm or x2 140mm

The only one I wasn't considering using was the side fan, I also have a 212 CPU cooler. I'm not too worried about noise since I am usually playing with headphones on.
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post #19 of 35
to answer the topic question, i say gentle typhoons are worth it biggrin.gif but on a budget i limit its use as heatsink/rad fan (im a cheapskate biggrin.gif). i would say use the gt on your 212+ and then use cheaper ones for case fans (cooler master, antec, silverstone, xigmatech, gelid, scythe, etc) since you are not that concerned with the noise. i tend to use cooler master, gelid, aerocool sharks and recently cougar vortex for case fans.

with all your fan placement options, i would go with 2x120mm front intake fans, 2x140mm top intake fans (running at lower rpms) and 1 very good 120mm exhaust. positive pressure.

for negative or at least even pressure. 2x120 mm intake front fans, 1x140mm side fan and 2x140mm top exhaust and 120mm exhaust fans.
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I actually already have a 212 installed on my CPU. w/o water cooling I'm looking to push 4.0GHZ + on air cooling.
also after reading http://www.overclock.net/t/63349/n-sanitys-guide-to-fans he states that Negative pressure setups will yield a slightly lower system temperature

You are referencing a guide from 2005 for a build in 2012. Back then, there were many components on the motherboard that could benefit from the passive cooling of negative air pressure. Components as well as enclosures are different now, which is why I recommended having a look at ehume's thread here. The title is for case selection, but many people (myself included) post questions about how to best set up fans for optimal cooling and minimal noise.

I know that you already have a 212. I phrased it the way I did because I wanted to emphasize how cost inefficient it would be to purchase 2 GT AP-15 for it.
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