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I think it's the concept of having to see advertising in something you've paid for that is so repugnant to many people. I totally agree with ads in free games and programs and I think that is a fair method to provide the developers of such games with some income. When I buy software though and pay full price for it, I want an ad-free experience.

As I said in the other thread, fake ads, for fake products made by fake companies specifically created for a game to ad realism is fine, but genuine real-world advertising should not be included, unless it is an option the customer can choose. If game producers gave you the option of 20% off retail price for a games with ads, or full price for games without, that'd be fair, because the consumer would have the choice. Adding advertising by default, with no legitimate way to remove it, simply to increase profits, rather than benefit the customer in any way is somewhat unscrupulous business practice imo.

Still, I don't think we've had any verification that the ad in question was genuine yet, have we? So perhaps this is much a do about nothing?

Ads in free games. Fine. Ads in paid-for games, OK if it's consumer choice and benefits the consumer directly, such as a discount. Forced ads in paid-for games with no consumer choice over the matter. Not a good thing, imo.

As I said in the other thread though. If you don't like forced ads in paid-for games, don't buy the games that feature that advertising. If enough people stop buying these games because of ads, the people who make the games will stop including the advertising, or give consumers the choice to have an ad-free version.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Homer
All you guys just ***** on and on about ads? Does this website suck to you because ads?
It would be better without ads, as I've said before, but then I didn't pay for my account, so I accept the ads mean I can be a part of o/c.net, for free. Not the same concept with a paid-for game....

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Originally Posted by Psycho Homer
All you guys just ***** on and on about ads? Does this website suck to you because ads?
No. It's free.
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Highly Annoyed you come close to making perfect sence really but with this game I still think your off alittle. The only reason I think that is b/c I agree with all of your points except for the "If you dont like it dont buy it" to me that just sounds so elitist.

But anyway, the point is with EA you dont have that option, or at least alot of people wont. See WE know ahead of time that this game has this. But alot of people do not. If you go to EA's website they delete ANY forum posts on this topic. Also the only place they mention they use it is INSIDE the box of the game. SO if you didnt know and find out AFTER you open it its to late to return the game for your money back. So you see this is flat out you know what from EA
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maybe they realised that many people weren't going to buy it after BF2, so the only way to keep profits up was to put ingame advertising.
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Originally Posted by rabidgnome229
C) the spyware is in the retail version - not the demo
I have the retail version...

I really think the pepsi ad was a hoax...and every other site i have been to talks about ads on the billboards and show pictures that are drab, dull, grey and only have two letters on them, standing for i have no idea what. One says RA, and the other one says ER......Those are the only elements of writing i have seen in the game at all....i have played about 9 hours so far....no ads....
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Highly Annoyed you come close to making perfect sence really but with this game I still think your off alittle. The only reason I think that is b/c I agree with all of your points except for the "If you dont like it dont buy it" to me that just sounds so elitist.
I'm not sure how it's elitist..? It's the only way I know of to combat the advertising. It's not like the game/s are vital for life and without them you couldn't survive, so you could, if you wanted, simply not buy them and spread the word to others not to buy them either. Eventually EA and other game producers who use forced advertising in their games would get the message, wouldn't they?

Other than consumers not buying games because they strongly oppose an element of them, I suppose they could petition their politicians for a change in the law, to stop advertising in games, or to force games producers to disclose that ads exist in their games, by stating so clearly on the cover. Political action is slow however and changes to the law can take a very long time to become active. Also, politicians only listen to the majority voice, so getting enough people to petition would be difficult. It's far easier not to buy the game/s and to spread the word, through web sites, forums and other mediums, I would of thought..?

Still, this could all be a total hoax, as I don't think we've had any verification of the alleged in-game advertising system yet, have we?

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It's like the way you pay for a subscription based site, to get rid of pop-up ads. In the demo, if this was happening i would let it go, but when i get the full game, i dont want to see it. Unless as was mentioned it was just to add realism, which can be done with fake companies. The problem these days is that the internet and pc enthusiasts/gamers is a huge market and the big guns, like many broadband companies who tried to control what you did on the net. Will try make money off the internet. Which if they own a site, or on websites, is ok, as it means in most cases you join for free. But now in a paid game! If we let this go where do we draw the line.

btw has anyone yet verified the fact that there is advertising in the full retail version.
    
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Originally Posted by Chopes
I accually want in game ad's to increase. I dislike how if a game needs to have some realism people shun it away and resultingly we get ads in game for Hogogo Cola. Just let them put the ad in, it makes the game feel more real.
In-game advertising as a general concept does not bother me. What bothers me personally are:

1. Sometimes games would be better served with an ad for Hogogo Cola than Pepsi Cola. In some sci-fi game with no ties to Earth, for example, an ad for Pepsi would be completely out of place; but some sort of fake ad might add to the realism. Using real products must therefore be done in a way that fits the context of the game: having that ad there must make sense, and it must be artistically cohesive with the rest of the game. So a boring banner ad in a Madden stadium is probably fine, but a Pepsi billboard on a futuristic wasteland only works if the ad itself looks futuristic and the billboard is all beat up and aged.

2. Of course, the information about me that they appropriate in order to deliver targeted advertising. It's simply unethical, and all of you arguing the other side have apparently no concept of your privacy rights being chipped away.
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon
In-game advertising as a general concept does not bother me. What bothers me personally are:

1. Sometimes games would be better served with an ad for Hogogo Cola than Pepsi Cola. In some sci-fi game with no ties to Earth, for example, an ad for Pepsi would be completely out of place; but some sort of fake ad might add to the realism. Using real products must therefore be done in a way that fits the context of the game: having that ad there must make sense, and it must be artistically cohesive with the rest of the game. So a boring banner ad in a Madden stadium is probably fine, but a Pepsi billboard on a futuristic wasteland only works if the ad itself looks futuristic and the billboard is all beat up and aged.

2. Of course, the information about me that they appropriate in order to deliver targeted advertising. It's simply unethical, and all of you arguing the other side have apparently no concept of your privacy rights being chipped away.
Do you really know what they use for the "targeted advertising"? They direct ads to you that match the region of your IP...that's it....they don't go snooping through your cookies or anything. Please don'y tell me you've never seen this before. Several wedsites do this though JAVASCRIPT!!! Lets all boycott the internet while we are at it

I still have not seen ads in the retail version of the game for any real product. I've seen soemhting that says RA and somehting that says ER and that is it other than the logos on the side of containers which share no affiliation that i cna tell with any existing company/corporation.

I think EA made this so people TALK ABOUT THE GAME!!!

Perhaps the patch i had to download when i bought the game disabled it, so you are all talking abot nothing...maybe that's what ea wants...

Sparking controversy is the best way to publicise yourself.
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Advertising is a part of life...everyone wants a piece of you if they can get it. Eventually it becomes a din in the background and we all ignore it. How many of us actually "watch" the commercials on TV?

Vulcan's point about them probing, trying to extract personal info, is well placed though. We have all heard about it, credit card records, what you tend to watch on TV, the web site you visit, etc all being used for customized marketing. Public activity is one thing...I would imagine that with a fixed IP address it would possible for 3rd party software to record where I go without ever scanning files on my HD...just stay out of my rig. Yes, I may not be entirely comfortable with the idea someone else is watching but that is not going to stop, but if I buy something that without my knowledge is recording and sending back info about what I do, I want to know about it and have the option to disable it. Full disclosure folks, it's just that simple.
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