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Well ok, that is true rolleyes.gif
How bout we pretend the person upgraded from a 2500k to a 3770k and needed the extra threads tongue.gif
Should've bout the 2600K instead of the 2500K! biggrin.gif
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how? if i bought an intel then in two years id have to buy another $100 board to upgrade. amd, keep the board, $100 cost avioded

Well you're buying a $50 board now if you go with an i3. It's a whole 'nother level of foolishness to pay $100 for a motherboard with an i3. Buy another $50 board in 2 years - same price w/better or equal gaming performance.

Or buy a $100 board in two years after the $50 board now - $50 extra for superior performance.

Or go with your plan - inferior or equal performance with an option to upgrade to likely inferior performance for the same price.

Paying more now for inferior or equal performance is a poor economic decision. Now if you need a true quad-core on the cheap for non-gaming purposes then sure, the economics changes. But for a gamer, it's foolish to pay extra for equivalent (at best) performance. You pretend like buying an AM3+ board gives you more options. It does not. It limits you to AMD CPUs. Buying a cheaper CPU+mobo setup now gives you $50 more to pursue whatever price/performance options are superior in the future when an upgrade is needed - whether that be AMD or Intel.
    
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The reason I'm going with a 2120 (2130 is the same chipset just clocked higher, but $25.00 less)is because it does out perform the AMD (maybe only a slight margin) but it runs alot cooler takes less power and once OC'd it will out perform most AMD, I used to have a 965 X4 Phenom and it required a CM Hyper N 520 ($40.00) just to keep it from reaching max temp while OC just to 3.8... yes it was great on synthetic benchmarks.... and 6 cores and up do not perform well for games just yet... and the FX series is a bunch of BS because if you read up on it the 4100 series is technically a dual core and the 6100 series is technically a 4 core and so on... so AMD shame on you for doing what Intel has done for years... HyperThreading!
Battle on! thumb.gif

Has no one pointed out that the i3 WILL NOT overclock? 13 posts since then and nothing. 80mhz at most.

Also, AMD is using a module solution.

As I said before, for THAT budget that will overclock, you will need to go AMD or you could save and get a used 2500k and a nice motherboard
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Economically it makes more sense to not upgrade from sandy to ivy... It gives minimal benefits. rolleyes.gif
That's not really an upgrade at all. If you take overclocking into account, the Sandy will probably be faster than the equivalent Ivy.
     
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Has no one pointed out that the i3 WILL NOT overclock? 13 posts since then and nothing. 80mhz at most.
Also, AMD is using a module solution.
As I said before, for THAT budget that will overclock, you will need to go AMD or you could save and get a used 2500k and a nice motherboard

It actually does. Just because something has a locked multiplier doesnt mean you cannot overclock it. doh.gif
With this budget he will see more gaming performance (increase in FPS) going i3 + a better GPU than going AMD xD
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That's not really an upgrade at all. If you take overclocking into account, the Sandy will probably be faster than the equivalent Ivy.
I know... I should have made that more clear. I will fix that tongue.gif
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I would be on both sides of this debate... biggrin.gif

I would be on Intels side because my Intel processor has lasted 8+ years and is still running strong... So they are very durable, well made processors.

and

On the AMD side because im eyeing the Phenom II X4 965 BE Processor for my next future upgrade due to the bang for buck. The value on these things seems amazing though ive never personally owned one.

However my upgrade doesnt seem like its coming anytime soon... redface.gif
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It actually does. Just because something has a locked multiplier doesnt mean you cannot overclock it. doh.gif
With this budget he will see more gaming performance (increase in FPS) going i3 + a better GPU than going AMD xD
I know... I should have made that more clear. I will fix that tongue.gif

The base clock can be increased to about 103mhz before it starts causing problems. 103*32 is only a 96mhz increase, so yes it can be overclocked, but NOT more than a little bit. It will cause instability because everything that relies on that will be increased. For instance, the PCI bus clock is also increased and will not be stable past a certain point. Increasing this too high can even cause problems for peripherals and the motherboard itself and even fry components. So please don't " doh.gif " me. You are right that a stock i3 will be better performing though. I still recommend saving more and getting a "K" series chip and a nice motherboard. Even overclocking a 2500k to 4.4ghz on a stock cooler will be much better and more fun than a stock i3.

OP, you will not have fun trying to overclock an i3.
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The base clock can be increased to about 103mhz before it starts causing problems. 103*32 is only a 96mhz increase, so yes it can be overclocked, but NOT more than a little bit. It will cause instability because everything that relies on that will be increased. For instance, the PCI bus clock is also increased and will not be stable past a certain point. Increasing this too high can even cause problems for peripherals and the motherboard itself and even fry components. So please don't " doh.gif " me. You are right that a stock i3 will be better performing though. I still recommend saving more and getting a "K" series chip and a nice motherboard. Even overclocking a 2500k to 4.4ghz on a stock cooler will be much better and more fun than a stock i3.
OP, you will not have fun trying to overclock an i3.

Plenty of people overclock it. I think Pioneer has an overclocked 2120 @ 3.7Ghz, I have no idea how he got it there or anything about his chip, but he mentioned it in another thread.
The fact that you say that it CANNOT be overclocked is false information. I am not saying it would be wise to overclock it, but you cannot simply say it "will not" overclock. doh.gif
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The base clock can be increased to about 103mhz before it starts causing problems. 103*32 is only a 96mhz increase, so yes it can be overclocked, but NOT more than a little bit. It will cause instability because everything that relies on that will be increased. For instance, the PCI bus clock is also increased and will not be stable past a certain point. Increasing this too high can even cause problems for peripherals and the motherboard itself and even fry components. So please don't " doh.gif " me. You are right that a stock i3 will be better performing though. I still recommend saving more and getting a "K" series chip and a nice motherboard. Even overclocking a 2500k to 4.4ghz on a stock cooler will be much better and more fun than a stock i3.
OP, you will not have fun trying to overclock an i3.

Plenty of people overclock it. I think Pioneer has an overclocked 2120 @ 3.7Ghz, I have no idea how he got it there or anything about his chip, but he mentioned it in another thread.
The fact that you say that it CANNOT be overclocked is false information. I am not saying it would be wise to overclock it, but you cannot simply say it "will not" overclock. doh.gif

youll get a couple 100mhz at most, but with a huge, massive risk of data loss. not worth it.
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