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Really?? Okay let's compare the results so far, we'll examine the best performer for the phenom's as of the latest results which is the 1100T (which is better than your 1075T) and the 8150 clock for clock at 4.0GHz as you can see in the results in the first post.

Stopped reading there as you made yourself look foolish, at the same clocks of 4Ghz a 1075T and 1100T would be identical rolleyes.gif
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thumb.gif ^ i believe him. i would like a 2048mb IBT run tho.

Never took any screen dumps of stress testing, did 5 runs of Intel Burn Test with 4096Mb tested but that was really pushing my phase unit so didn't go for the whole 50 runs with all RAM tested.

Here's the validation link

It was rock solid and never crashed or BSOD no matter what I did with it.

The unit with no load attached

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The chips max on water fully stable was 4.1Ghz @ 1.5v

It would run at 4.2Ghz no problems but I could never achieve full stability on water.
post #383 of 871
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Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post

My old Crosshair 4 Extreme with a 24/7 phase cooled 4.8Ghz Phenom 2 1075T
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So I suggest people be quiet with saying I'm BS'ing and blowing smoke out my ass before I post the link to my HWBot validation and make you all look stupid.

Considering you had to do THAT to get your 1075T to 4.8 and an 8150 can do 4.8 with a simple WC setup and STILL score higher than the 1075T in most benchmarks at those speeds....yeah...I'm still calling BS and still saying your blowing smoke....and I'm going to concur with Madengineer that you're just trolling the forum for validation of your "awesomeness" and superiority while spouting gibberish.

edit - But in the spirit of accuracy and myth busting, which is what this thread is based on, I'll add the 1075T to the list and we'll see how it really compares to the FX series.
Edited by Bubba Hotepp - 5/8/12 at 9:38am
post #384 of 871
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Considering you had to do THAT to get your 1075T to 4.8 and an 8150 can do 4.8 with a simple WC setup and STILL score higher than the 1075T in most benchmarks at those speeds....yeah...I'm still calling BS and still saying your blowing smoke....and I'm going to concur with Madengineer that you're just trolling the forum for validation of your "awesomeness" and superiority while spouting gibberish.
edit - But in the spirit of accuracy and myth busting, which is what this thread is based on, I'll add the 1075T to the list and we'll see how it really compares to the FX series.

When are you going to learn that it's not how high you can clock but how much you can do in those clocks.

Phenom 2 has higher IPC so will do more with less where as BD requires more to do the same.

It's been proven time and time again that a 4.8Ghz BD has a hard time beating off a ~4Ghz Phenom 2

Problem being is that you have a BD in your rig so rather then working on common sense you're just coming up with every thing and anything to justify your purchase.

BD is around 20% slower on average in single threaded/lightly threaded loads so it HAS to be clocked 20% higher then a Phenom 2 to offer the same performance.

So my 1075T at 4.8Ghz would require a BD clocked 20% higher to match it..

And what do you meen go through all that? Phase cooling is easy as pie and is no more hard work then water cooling.

You said my claims of having a 4.8Ghz 1075T were' BS' and I've proven you wrong so...OWNED...
Edited by Mr Frosty - 5/8/12 at 11:05am
post #385 of 871
man,i got a 8120 it because it was the same price as a 955 was 2 years ago,i got an athlon II x4 instead of a 955 and it did the same job for less,.common sense?

oh,and i like your phase changer,thinking of getting one,do they come in all black?
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post #386 of 871
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man,i got a 8120 it because it was the same price as a 955 was 2 years ago,i got an athlon II x4 instead than a 955 and it did the same job for less,.common sense?
oh,and i like your phase changer,thinking of getting one,do they come in all black?

Depends on the phase unit, they're very simple to strip down and have painted though!
post #387 of 871
nice,everything here is in black,except the ram which is 70's car yellow,why i dont know.
    
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Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post

When are you going to learn that it's not how high you can clock but how much you can do in those clocks.
Phenom 2 has higher IPC so will more with less where as BD requires more to do the same.
It's been proven time and time again that a 4.8Ghz BD has a hard time beating off a ~4Ghz Phenom 2
Problem being is that you have a BD in your rig so rather then working on common sense you're just coming up with every thing and anything to justify your purchase.
BD is around 20% slower on average in single threaded/lightly threaded loads so it HAS to be clocked 20% higher then a Phenom 2 to offer the same performance.
So my 1075T at 4.8Ghz would require a BD clocked 20% higher to match it..
And what do you meen go through all that? Phase cooling is easy as pie and is no more hard work then water cooling.
You said my claims of having a 4.8Ghz 1075T were' BS' and I've proven you wrong so...OWNED...

First - your claims of a higher clocked BD beating off a "4GHz Phenom 2" are just that...claims (refer to post one in the thread for real results not claims)

Second - ONLY in single threaded apps do we see Phenom 2 "beating" the BD series of chips (which is entirely expected because of the design, BD "cores" aren't full cores in the traditional sense as they have shared resources between two cores in a module not dedicated resources per core as you see in traditional cores like you have in the Phenom II's). And considering that almost all of the apps you're going to run these days, and I'm sure all apps in the future including most games are multi-threaded applications that point is meaningless.

Third - your math and information is not even close. As our results show on average BD is around 10-12% slower than a similarly clocked Phenom II on single threaded loads.

Fourth - again your logic, math and reasoning are way off base. Only in single threaded applications would a BD need to be clocked higher than a Phenom II to "match" it. Move to multi-threaded apps and the results are far different (again, refer to first post for real results not inaccurate claims).

And finally, fifth - I didn't make the claim of BS to your 1075T being clocked at 4.8. That was another poster (read before you type, prevents you from sounding foolish). My calling BS and blowing smoke is of course in response to your other claims namely,

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This thread makes me wish I kept my 4.8ghz Phenom 2 x6 1075T, that thing smacked Bulldozer all over the place!

which we've proven with hard results is total BS. A few "wins" clock for clock in a multitude of tests are not even close to "smacking BD all over the place" especially when some of the results are embarressing compared to BD (see multiple results in the chart where the margin is greater than 100%).

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Phenom 2 still won, while consuming ltd power and clocking worse.
I really wish people would stop saying they're close because they're not, Phenom 2 is much faster.
And at 4.8Ghz there's not a single BD chip in here that would get any where close to my old Phenom.
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This thread makes me wish I kept my 4.8ghz Phenom 2 x6 1075T, that thing smacked Bulldozer all over the place!

Ignoring all results except single threaded apps to make a claim like that only makes you sound even more foolish. Again, total BS.

And of course who can forget this one,
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Phenom 2 still won, while consuming ltd power and clocking worse.
I really wish people would stop saying they're close because they're not, Phenom 2 is much faster.
And at 4.8Ghz there's not a single BD chip in here that would get any where close to my old Phenom.
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This thread makes me wish I kept my 4.8ghz Phenom 2 x6 1075T, that thing smacked Bulldozer all over the place!

I call hijinks and BS on that one as well. Again another "claim" with nothing to back it up.

Nothing but another one of the proven incorrect "Faildozer" crowd.
post #389 of 871
i dont get this arguement here,its a 8 half cores and should be regarded as a super quad core cpu,its even priced as a quad was and yes compaire a super quad to a 6 core there near the same,do that make sense?

a 12 half core is a comparsion to a 6 core pII.
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i dont get this arguement here,its a 8 half cores and should be regarded as a super quad core cpu,its even priced as a quad was and yes compaire a super quad to a 6 core there near the same,do that make sense?

Basically yes.

On another note. When we progress to Round 2 you must provide information on type of cooling along with your results. I will be breaking the results into 3 sections namely Air Cooling, Water Cooling (closed loop or custom), and Extreme Cooling. We can't have people posting OC's without clarification that leaves viewers of the results with mistaken impressions such as (hypotheticaly) thinking that they TOO can hit 4.8GHz on a Phenom II 1075T while using an air cooler or even a water cooling loop.
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