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Anyhow, I personally would like to see stock for stock | clock for clock | max clock for max clock comparisons. That would pretty much sum up any Phenom II vs Bulldozer questions anyone would have.

Why? We already know that Bulldozer cores are only about 75% as strong as Phenom 2 cores at equal clocks. This is a dead horse that's been beaten to death.

The bulldozer does handle high speed memory better, and performance scales nicely at very high overclocks.

The problem is that the very poor quality of the fab resulted in high leakage chips that run too hot for the speeds which would actually give them good performance (over 5GHZ). Hopefully Piledriver will have better fab so we can see good speeds on air cooling.
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Yes, actually they are. A FX-4100 uses 4 logical cores with 2 FPU's. A single bulldozer module holds 2 cores. So theoretically a FX-4100 is a quad core, but only acts like dual with HT. This is where AMD failed at marketing. If they marketed the FX line based on how many modules each had they wouldn't of been so bad (FX-8150 would of been compared to the Phenom II instead of FX-4100). Anyhow, I personally would like to see stock for stock | clock for clock | max clock for max clock comparisons. That would pretty much sum up any Phenom II vs Bulldozer questions anyone would have.

But comparation between to different platforms clcok to clock, doesnt make much sense. U can compare it offcourse, but Phenom and Bulldozer r very much different.
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Why? We already know that Bulldozer cores are only about 75% as strong as Phenom 2 cores at equal clocks. This is a dead horse that's been beaten to death.
The bulldozer does handle high speed memory better, and performance scales nicely at very high overclocks.
The problem is that the very poor quality of the fab resulted in high leakage chips that run too hot for the speeds which would actually give them good performance (over 5GHZ). Hopefully Piledriver will have better fab so we can see good speeds on air cooling.

Show me all three benchmarks that I previously requested. Obviously you cant because there is none. Everyone on gods green earth knows Phenom II has higher single thread performance then Bulldozer. What we still don't know is exactly where does FX triumph Phenom II. And how each competes when overclocked to the standard OC frequencies. So far everything I have seen and exists on OCN is merely showing Phenom II is better until FX is clocked.
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6.64 appears to be weak. My chip as a whole appears to be a weak one. frown.gif

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Show me all three benchmarks that I previously requested. Obviously you cant because there is none. Everyone on gods green earth knows Phenom II has higher single thread performance then Bulldozer. What we still don't know is exactly where does FX triumph Phenom II. And how each competes when overclocked to the standard OC frequencies. So far everything I have seen and exists on OCN is merely showing Phenom II is better until FX is clocked.

Who are you arguing with? I agree with you. We all know that each Bulldozer core is about 75% as strong as a Phenom II core per clock. I guess I'll beat that dead horse some more for you.

Who in there right mind would bench an FX and not OC to the max? That's idiotic. That's like challenging someone to a street race, and telling them they have a speed limit.
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Well if you really want to play extreme cooling rolleyes.gif
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Well played sir, well played.

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Okay, I'll state this so everyone knows the point of this whole exercise. Too often I see people asking for advice about buying an FX chip only to see them slammed for considering it and then pointed in the direction of core i3/i5 or last gen or previous Phenom II's without real hard data for the person to look at. I see intel fanboys pointing to reviews from last year that predominantly used sysmark for benchmarking results which as can be expected is going to really hamper AMD chips and heavily favor intel chips (just read all the articles written in the past year and a half detailing intel's cheating when it comes to writing sysmark for details and facts on that issue). So after being told that a 4.0GHz Phenom II chip will outpace my 6100 by 15% I decided to take up the challenge and settle this once and for all with hard data to look at. Hence this excercise in benchmarking. FIRST we'll start off doing a clock for clock comparison to see where the numbers truly are. THEN we'll start pushing the chips to the limits and see how each of them scales and what the final performance can be expected. There's no "beating a dead horse" about it. Here we'll have a place where we can steer people with questions about performance and they can see it for themselves instead of just hearing someone tell them "don't buy it it sucks". They can see how it performs and decide whether or not it fits their needs or they should go up down or sideways in their choice of CPU.

Let's try to organize this a little bit. I created an area where I'll post the results as I compile them. If you want to participate, please check to see if someone has already posted the first series of results for your CPU Model. It's pointless for the first set of results to have multiple postings of the same chips in the clock for clock comparison section and will only make the list too long to post. When we unleash the OC dogs of war then I'll start compiling a list of top ten results for each chip model so we can compare the scaling ability of each chip and how it well or poor it can be pushed and performs. I'll also try and make as part of those lists, the V levels and Temps that each chip puts out when pushed as high as each person can get it to go.

If you think this is an exercise in futility and pointless I would please ask you refrain from posting such comments and let the rest of us just have our fun. Nobody twisted your arm or put a gun to your head and made you read this thread.
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Who are you arguing with? I agree with you. We all know that each Bulldozer core is about 75% as strong as a Phenom II core per clock. I guess I'll beat that dead horse some more for you.
Who in there right mind would bench an FX and not OC to the max? That's idiotic. That's like challenging someone to a street race, and telling them they have a speed limit.

Actually I have to disagree. We DON'T all know that. I and I'm sure many others have been TOLD that but we have yet to see FAIR comparison benchmarks that PROVE that to be correct. Hence this thread.
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At the moment we're comparing 200 x 20 for 4.0GHz with all other settings at default (I'll leave it up to each of you if you want to enable or disable cool & quiet and the c6 states etc. but HT and NB should be default for this step in benching) and RAM set to 1600 with default timings.
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Who are you arguing with? I agree with you. We all know that each Bulldozer core is about 75% as strong as a Phenom II core per clock. I guess I'll beat that dead horse some more for you.

Lol my thoughts exactly.

I guess someone at some point had to go like : "Wait, what was this about ?"
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