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Originally Posted by superericla View Post

Not quite true. An eight-core bulldozer processor has 8 integer cores so technically it has 8 cores, but only 4 fpu cores.

I never said it wan't a "core" just not the same type of core you find in all the other CPU's. Quick test will tell you yes or no.

Phenom II Cores:

Is each "core" only an integer core? No.

BD Cores:

Is each "core" only an integer core? Yes.

Quote: (wikipedia)

"AMD has re-introduced the "Clustered Integer Core" microarchitecture, an architecture first developed by DEC in 1996 with the RISC microprocessor Alpha 21264. This technology is informally called CMT (Clustered Multithreading) and formally called a "module" by the AMD's marketing service. In terms of hardware complexity and functionality, the module is midway between a true dual-core processor, where each thread has a fully independent core, and a single core processor that has SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading), where two threads share the resources of a single core. "

Note that it is not "exactly the same as a dual core processor" but lies somewhere between a "true" dual core and a single core. To call each bulldozer core a "true" core and then compare it's 4 cores (in a 4100) to a quad core phenom or intel is extremely misleading. The whole point is that a 4100 lies somewhere between a "true" dual core and a "true" quad core cpu.

Edit - It's analogous to comparing a dual core intel cpu with hyperthreading to a quad core and saying "it sux because it's a quad core too and it isn't as fast."

Edit, edit - I think it's interesting that intel released hyperthreading CPU's that made more effecient use of resources and they were applauded. And we compare an i3 dual core with hyperthreading against Athlon x2's, Phenom x2's etc. to show performance differences and if it happens to perform as well as a quad core phenom II we say "wow, it's a great CPU".
Yet, AMD introduces a new architecture that is makes more effecient use of resources and they're flamed because "each core isn't as fast as a phenom II x6 core or intel i3/i5/i7 core". Don't you see the hypocracy in that?
Edited by Bubba Hotepp - 6/6/12 at 10:39pm
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But anways, let's save the debates on all of that for when we're done running the tests and keep it clear for results to be posted tongue.gif. Which by the way I'm still waiting for. *kicking everyone in the shins and running away*
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I never said it wan't a "core" just not the same type of core you find in all the other CPU's. Quick test will tell you yes or no.
Phenom II Cores:
Is each "core" only an integer core? No.
BD Cores Cores:
Is each "core" only an integer core? Yes.
Quote: (wikipedia)
"AMD has re-introduced the "Clustered Integer Core" microarchitecture, an architecture first developed by DEC in 1996 with the RISC microprocessor Alpha 21264. This technology is informally called CMT (Clustered Multithreading) and formally called a "module" by the AMD's marketing service. In terms of hardware complexity and functionality, the module is midway between a true dual-core processor, where each thread has a fully independent core, and a single core processor that has SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading), where two threads share the resources of a single core. "

Note that it is not "exactly the same as a dual core processor" but lies somewhere between a "true" dual core and a single core. To call each bulldozer core a "true" core and then compare it's 4 cores (in a 4100) to a quad core phenom or intel is extremely misleading. The whole point is that a 4100 lies somewhere between a "true" dual core and a "true" quad core cpu.
Edit - It's analogous to comparing a dual core intel cpu with hyperthreading to a quad core and saying "it sux because it's a quad core too and it isn't as fast."
Edit, edit - I think it's interesting that intel released hyperthreading CPU's that made more effecient use of resources and they were applauded. And we compare an i3 dual core with hyperthreading against Athlon x2's, Phenom x2's etc. to show performance differences and if it happens to perform as well as a quad core phenom II we say "wow, it's a great CPU".
Yet, AMD introduces a new architecture that is makes more effecient use of resources and they're flamed because "each core isn't as fast as a phenom II x6 core or intel i3/i5/i7 core". Don't you see the hypocracy in that?
I do see the hypocracy that you're talking about. Anyways, two true cores > one module > one hyperthreaded core > one core (using the same basic architecture and frequency). The module has more resources per thread than a hyperthreaded core does, so it's a better approach in my opinion.
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I do see the hypocracy that you're talking about. Anyways, two true cores > one module > one hyperthreaded core > one core (using the same basic architecture and frequency). The module has more resources per thread than a hyperthreaded core does, so it's a better approach in my opinion.

I agree, I think it's an improvement on the hyperthreading design. Just needs the kinks worked out.
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My AP-15's should be in tomorrow, I should be benching sometime this week for ya. I am going to dial in my clock as well. I can run ibt, but my temps go over tmax of 61c. Hopefully with new fans it should help, going to try close to 5.0 for yea, i know i can do over that with some cores disabled, up to about 5.2.
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Talk about pushing to the max he he he.
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CALLING ALL OVERCLOCKERS....CALLING ALL OVERCLOCKERS

We really need those results so we can finish the comparison charts.
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Thanks, I'll update the results later today. Two CPU tabs?? buttkick.gif Bad ka24e, bad bad bad. *smacking nose with rolled up newspaper* I'll let it "slide" this time since the results are not unusual or unexpected. tongue.gif
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Lol, I appreciate that. I would have just re-ran it, but I'm just too lazy to run them again tongue.gif
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