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why get 2 different 35mm SLRs and not upgrade the 7D to a FF digital?

The EOS 30 and OM-10 where incredibly cheap. They cost me $50 each...

Old and new film tech. Interesting to learn and shoot with, each providing different results.
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Or get better glass then the 17-40l

Such as? Within the price range... There is not much else?
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Originally Posted by sub50hz View Post

I wouldn't buy a bunch of gear before you even start learning how to shoot legitimately good photos.

I already own this gear (bar the 17-40) and tbh, you're rude. Your post was a waste of both your time making it and my time reading it.

The pictures I post here are my pictures that I don't care about, and only do it out of interest.

You'd be a moron to post your best pictures here, or anywhere on the net for that matter. My best pictures get made into massive prints and the digital files stored on an external drive in a dry box. Wanna criticise me? So be it. But make sure you have all the information, so feel free to come to New Zealand, come to my place and critique me on my prints on my wall ranging from 12x18 up to 36x48 and anywhere in between.

The pictures I post here? Garbage mostly. Throw aways. I find it highly amusing you think you know how good I am from my throw aways I post up. Hope you are not so assumptive in other facets of your life.
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Your persistent unwillingness to take legitimate advice against your own overblown ego amazes me. I'm not criticizing your skill, I'm criticizing the path you're taking to try and "improve" it. If you can't take criticism and you're planning on pursuing a degree in the arts, you're in for a very rude surprise. Your level of talent is of no relevance to me, and when I suggest someone "stop buying gear and start shooting more", it's a sentiment that comes from years of shooting and falling into the same unfortunate gear acquisition pit as many people on this forum have and still follow. Photography isn't about how much money you can spend on equipment, it's how you use what you're given.
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No kidding.

So because I want a lens I am now one of those "gear acquisition photographers" who hardly shoots, or what? I don't understand what you are implying or trying to convey...

I brought the EOS 30 and OM-10 to further increase my skill-set and knowledge of photography as a whole. Not so I could simply "have all the gearz bro". And your post was not constructive criticism, it was just plain pointless. I asked for advice on a lens, yet you say "I wouldn't buy a bunch of gear before you even start learning how to shoot legitimately good photos."... Well thanks for the advice you gave me in a thread seeking advice where I ask the OCN members, YOU included, for advice on a lens or alternative.

You see? That post comes across as a smarmy swipe at me.

I wanted advice, you gave me rubbish. And I can't take advice? I signed up here seeking advice for god sake. I've been shooting for a numbers of years now also. 3 years is not a long time I know, but its not 3 weeks. Still years of learning and understanding.
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post #14 of 21
You want my opinion?

-17-40 is a good lens.
-It's not a useful focal length on a crop camera.
-The 17-55 IS is a much better choice for a 7D

Just about every lens review site is going to tell you the same thing. Unfortunately, it appears you're having trouble seeing past the allure of a red ring, and that's absurd. I used the 17-40 for a bit, and I liked it on film. It didn't make me a better photographer, and it won't do any more for you -- you've already got most of those focal lengths covered in your kit anyway, so unless you desperately need a weather-sealed, slow-ish 800 USD wide zoom, save your pennies.

But if you do get it, make sure you come back and post some more "throw-away" shots so we know you're the real deal. wink.gif
post #15 of 21
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You want my opinion?
-17-40 is a good lens.
-It's not a useful focal length on a crop camera.
-The 17-55 IS is a much better choice for a 7D
Just about every lens review site is going to tell you the same thing. Unfortunately, it appears you're having trouble seeing past the allure of a red ring, and that's absurd. I used the 17-40 for a bit, and I liked it on film. It didn't make me a better photographer, and it won't do any more for you -- you've already got most of those focal lengths covered in your kit anyway, so unless you desperately need a weather-sealed, slow-ish 800 USD wide zoom, save your pennies.

Thank you. Your advice is welcome.

My questions to it however would be,

17-40 is pretty much the same focal length as the 17-55, would you agree? The 17-55 just has a touch more reach.

I would prefer a lens that is not EF-S so I can use it on my EOS30 SLR and also at some point in time I will pick up a 5D1/2 when I find an ideal example at a good price, and I can use it on that?

I miss my 15-85 as a walkaround frown.gif (I feel this would do well as I enjoy the freedom in a zoom lens, wide zoom, whatever one would feel the 17-40 is classified as)

And not so much to do with the Red ring as it is to do with the price point. I can have the 17-40 for $300-$400 less then the 17-55. If it was vise-versa I probably wouldn't have even made the thread. Just scary outlaying a lot of money on a "workhorse" or "walkaround" when there are multiple alternatives that could very well do a better job...

I just don't know...

I had little trouble in deciding on the gear I have now.

70-200 2.8 for sports, portraits, birds - Easy decision.

30 1.4 as a good little walkaround that can give you wicked blown out backdrops and is nice and fast, everyone should have a prime, right? - Easy enough

10-20 4-5.6 was super easy. Wanted wide for indoor and landscpaes, was cheap and holds up well against the Canon equiv for half the price - Easiest one of the lot.

The main reason for parting for my 15-85 was it did not have a constant aperture, started to really annoy me. I miss my zoom and the freedom it provided, I need to replace it but I need to make sure I get it right, and within my budget...
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post #16 of 21
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Such as? Within the price range... There is not much else?

17-50/2.8 tamron or sigma are much better lenses for crop then a 17-40L.

17-40L is a good lens, but its not that great on FF. Its good if you need a wide and dont need the speed of the 16-35L.

On crop its sharp but the sigma or tamron are both far better.

EDIT: just read your new post

if you really want a lens taht works for both your eos30 and 7d get the canon/sigma/tamron 24-70. its a far more useful lens for fullframe then a mildly fast 17-40 (you do get a weird range on crop tho).

another solution is a 28-75/2.8 tamron and the 17-50/2.8. you can pick up both these lenses for less then 1000USD (at least before the flood).....the 28-75 is fairly good on fullframe and the 17-50 is easy enough to sell if u completely switch to fullframe.

fast glass is especially important on film cause anything over 1600iso gets grainy which may or may not be something you want.
Edited by mz-n10 - 5/1/12 at 9:51pm
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post #17 of 21
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Yes yes yes, I like this.

So, with Tamron and Sigma you are referring to these?

http://www.digitalrev.com/product/sigma-24-70mm-f2-8/NzA1NA_A_A - Sigma

http://www.digitalrev.com/product/tamron-sp-af17-50mm-f/ODExMQ_A_A - Tamron

Which is better? There are so many lenses in this range....

http://www.digitalrev.com/product/tamron-sp-24-70mm-f/MTAwMDMyMw_A_A - Does anyone know when we will see this?
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with the 2 lens kit it would be....

tamron 28-75/2.8 i have used this on a 50d and its a pretty nice. especially for the price.

tamron 17-50/2.8 reviews says this lens is good...personally havent tried it.

the sigma 17-50/2.8 is stabilized so its a bit more and the tamron 17-50/2.8VC (stabilized) is not as sharp as the non-VC according to POTN.

the single lens 24-70/2.8 would be

Sigma 24-70/2.8 ive used this on a 5d2 a few times and its pretty close IMO to the 24-70L

or the new Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC this lens has mixed reviews so i would wait before buying this.
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I thought Sigma made a 24-70 2.8 that had OS?

EDIT: Ah, I see they made a 17-50 2.8 that has OS but is a DC model, so not desirable at this point.
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all 17-50/2.8 are crop lenses.

you can mount the sigma/tamron crop lenses on full frame bodies btw. they just vignette like crazy on the wide end.

anything wider then 28mm on fullframe starts to get expensive. thats why the 17-40 is actually so loved cause its one of teh cheaper wide on fullframe.
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