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Idiot analyst is idiot.  Any PC gamer should and probably needs dedicated GPUs.  Gaming aside, the business world is really pushing multiple monitors for "more" productivity.  For the most part, the limitation isn't "performance" but functionality and I/O.

About half of the 1800 PC's I help support need 2 screens for the users to perform their jobs. About half of those need discrete cards, as on-board solutions aren't available for those certain few.
    
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Idiot analyst is idiot.  Any PC gamer should and probably needs dedicated GPUs.  Gaming aside, the business world is really pushing multiple monitors for "more" productivity.  For the most part, the limitation isn't "performance" but functionality and I/O.

About half of the 1800 PC's I help support need 2 screens for the users to perform their jobs. About half of those need discrete cards, as on-board solutions aren't available for those certain few.

 

I feel your pain brutha (college campus).

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Most likely the analysts have more data on GPU sales then we do so they are probabally right. Not saying the high-end discrete GPU market is going to be gone tommorow but I thought it was pretty much common knowledge it's on it's way out in the next decade or so.

Also it's totally laughable to say that 95% of I5/I7 owners are gamers. Try 10% tops. The PC market is massive and we are literally a drop in the bucket.
    
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waits for the 'gamer mentality' to sink in in this thread.

Too late.

Anyhoo, I think this analyst should re-analyze their thought process. If anything killed the discrete graphics card, it's AMDs APUs, and they beat intel to the punch by at least a year. But honestly, the discrete graphics card is not killed (yet) anyway. Other than gaming performance gains from HD3K, the HD4K doesn't present much of anything new. It's still behind the performance of AMD APUs released within the last year (which generally cost less and yield better gaming performance). While the "gaming" performance over the 3K is noticeable, it's still far from a "good" choice when you have llano/trinity. The only reason HD4K benchmarks have beaten out llano APUs is at the lowest game settings, at which point the performance is CPU-bound--no doubt the beast 3770Ks used for the benchmarks will slaughter the APU.

IMHO, "raw" CPU power is less and less of a concern to most consumers (note--not enthusiasts). So long as the APU-esque market continues to advance (and software/OSs develop to take advantage of the modular nature of "integrated" solutions), the "separate but on the same die" iGPU architecture that intel is pursuing is still antiquated. Regardless of Intel's advancement of their IGP, this round absolutely goes to AMD for their llano/trinity development and adoption. I think without close collaboration with someone *like* nvidia, Intel doesn't really have a lot to play with other than having the most powerful cpu-only solution (which is absolutely unrivaled, and I imagine it will be for some time).

Whatever advancement the 4K is over the 3K, it's still not good enough to bridge the gap between the "basic" needs addressed by the HD2K/3K, and the "advanced" needs addressed by discrete cards or (some of) AMD's fusion processors.
    
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Actually, last time I check the most popular screen resolution is 1024 x 768. You don't need a lot of horsepower to play at that resolution. Most PC gamers aren't as hard core as we OCN members. I'd say though, Intel still has some time before it can catch up with AMD Fusion.
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Idiot analyst is idiot.  Any PC gamer should and probably needs dedicated GPUs.  Gaming aside, the business world is really pushing multiple monitors for "more" productivity.  For the most part, the limitation isn't "performance" but functionality and I/O.

Those "idiot" analysts didn't make up these numbers, it's based on actual data.

You're right to a degree, however it's still a drop in the bucket. All those AMD and Intel APU sales are huge, especially in the mobile sector. The dedicated GPU market is tiny compared to the overall market.
 
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The article brings up a good point. Most pc gamers even only want just enough hardware to let them play their games. HD4k and llano give just enough performance already. It seems quite natural that discrete graphics card sales would drop. If people can meet their needs with one part, why spend extra?
More importantly, OEMs are soon going to start marketing these APUs as entry level gaming machines. They will of course buy less entry level gaming cards as a result. Also, a significant chunk of discrete graphics card sales go to entry level graphics cards, like the 6450s and gt430s, ect, These APUs have better or equivalent performance to these cards by themselves. Naturally, the >100$ graphics segment is going to shrink or disappear.
Discrete graphics cards will never go away. However, APUs are continueing to become more powerful and more efficient. Games and gaming performance have been somewhat constant for years by comparison. Discrete graphics won't go away, but they will become less and less prominent.

This. It's easy to forget on OCN, but the vast majority of gamers aren't hardware enthousiasts.
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The article brings up a good point. Most pc gamers even only want just enough hardware to let them play their games. HD4k and llano give just enough performance already. It seems quite natural that discrete graphics card sales would drop. If people can meet their needs with one part, why spend extra?
More importantly, OEMs are soon going to start marketing these APUs as entry level gaming machines. They will of course buy less entry level gaming cards as a result. Also, a significant chunk of discrete graphics card sales go to entry level graphics cards, like the 6450s and gt430s, ect, These APUs have better or equivalent performance to these cards by themselves. Naturally, the >100$ graphics segment is going to shrink or disappear.
Discrete graphics cards will never go away. However, APUs are continueing to become more powerful and more efficient. Games and gaming performance have been somewhat constant for years by comparison. Discrete graphics won't go away, but they will become less and less prominent.

Probably one thing I fear will happen is increased price on discrete GPUs, as iGPUs grow gradually.
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