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Wow I read all the posts before the article... there is more information in 1/3 of a page of posts here than there is in that article.

I had thought of lots to say while reading the posts, then read the article and lost my will to write it all out.

The only thing I have to say is :
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Equities states that Ivy Bridge essentially kills the discrete graphics card because the integrated graphics of the CPU would be good enough for 95 percent of computer users

Typically you use broad terms like that for a reason, saying "computer" would mean for phones, tablets, desktops, and laptops... to say the least. So yeah HD4k can probably run 95% of that without needing a discrete card!
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Discrete graphics cards has always been a niche market, what is the news again ?

People working in offices around the world have use integrated graphics for more than a decade. For general office work it has always been good enough. I have an Intel Pentium 3 motherboard with Intel integrated graphics with DVD playback acceleration at 30 fps, and that is from the year 2000 or 2001.

For the past years Intel has been the largest seller of integrated graphics.

What is about to change ?

Nothing.

Why ?

1. Drivers. Intel has to show strong commitment with their drivers. If even a casual gamer will find problems running the games he / she wants, then Intel will continue having a bad reputation and people will still buy a discrete graphics card. And you don't build that reputation overnight either. And until now Intel hasn't done much to build it either. How many updates have they delivered to the HD 2000 / HD 30000 ? A few, but not many. They are getting better, but, as I said, they don't build that reputation overnight. AMD and Nvidia have a huge advantage here.

2. Intel has been able to catch up a little because the next generation consoles haven't been released yet. Once they are released, PC games will finally start taking more advantage of the hardware we have now, and that will leave Intel behind again.
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I think the guy above me is onto something here. The discrete market has always been a niche market. Especially those of us buying 560tis and 7970s.
    
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I don't mean to pick on you but it seems to me like the report uses a lot of guesswork. No DD service releases sales figures so it's literally all estimates. The retail market we know is in huge decline(but still makes up the majority of sales). I was thinking more NA/Europe anyway since F2P MMOs in China that generate huge amounts of cash I don't think are what most people think of when they think PC gaming. Still though I get your point. My point though is that we have big publishers moving out of the PC space (Ubisoft) and have had numerous devs/pubs say that AAA PC game sales now make up a miniscule part of their playerbase.
Mainly what I'm saying is this. More cash may be spent on PC gaming as whole now then in 2005. But as a guy who likes to play big AAA games gaming is not as good now as it was then. In 2005 Epic, Id, Valve Bioware etc etc were all PC exclusive. Epic doesn't even make PC games anymore. I certainly prefered the development scene then to what it is now. I think honestly that MMO and F2P revenue really props those numbers up. In fact I know it props the numbers up I just don't know how much.

you trust forbes?

PC gaming revenue 18.6 billion
 
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One of my friends has asked me to help him convert from console to PC because of Skyrim. I showed him my modded game experience and, he, as an avid D&D guy, loooves the depth of character and world immersion and diversification you can get with the PC copy. Anyway. He had no idea when I showed him 720p with 8xAA, 16x AF, AO all turned on and 1080p 4xAA, 16AF and no AO. He -could- see the difference in FPS, but didn't know how to describe it. 'This one looks sharper'. For him, the newer integrated solutions will be perfect. They'll allow a cheaper startup cost to get in on a PC, and give the graphics he would like to have. For the time being. Now, once he sees the light down the road he will wish for more power. But for now, and for many people who are growing tired of stagnating current console generation...these integrated solutions will do the trick. The hardest task will actually be AMD and Intel trying to tell people to stop listening to crowds and forums like ourselves here on OCN. They're gonna come here and we're gonna tell them MOAR POWA. Or at least, they will see what we have and what we talk about, and think 'integrated and/or what i have is second rate. Gotta have better!!' Like it or not, that's how we work most of the time.
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you trust forbes?
PC gaming revenue 18.6 billion

I didn't say in my post anywhere I didn't trust his source. Read it again.
    
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i would move to an integrated solution as long as i could get an apu that combined an upper tier cpu with an upper tier gpu and the ability to add a second matching apu down the road to increase performance.


even then, i like the ability to mix and match. i like amd, but i want to pair it with nvidia. i dont forsee those kind of options ever being available
    
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I don't mean to pick on you but it seems to me like the report uses a lot of guesswork. No DD service releases sales figures so it's literally all estimates. The retail market we know is in huge decline(but still makes up the majority of sales). I was thinking more NA/Europe anyway since F2P MMOs in China that generate huge amounts of cash I don't think are what most people think of when they think PC gaming. Still though I get your point. My point though is that we have big publishers moving out of the PC space (Ubisoft) and have had numerous devs/pubs say that AAA PC game sales now make up a miniscule part of their playerbase.
Mainly what I'm saying is this. More cash may be spent on PC gaming as whole now then in 2005. But as a guy who likes to play big AAA games gaming is not as good now as it was then. In 2005 Epic, Id, Valve Bioware etc etc were all PC exclusive. Epic doesn't even make PC games anymore. I certainly prefered the development scene then to what it is now. I think honestly that MMO and F2P revenue really props those numbers up. In fact I know it props the numbers up I just don't know how much.


you said this ^ and I am showing you an article that points to how they got the numbers.


We know DD games dont report.. but I think that the financial market purposely underestimates their sales to be safe.
 
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you said this ^ and I am showing you an article that points to how they got the numbers.
We know DD games dont report.. but I think that the financial market purposely underestimates their sales to be safe.

Yes and what I'm saying is most of that money comes from MMO/F2P/FB we just don't know how much. It's disingenus to say that AAA game sales are booming on PC when devs/pubs are saying directly otherwise. The MMO market and F2P markets are doing great but frankly I think most of this forum is more concerned with how games like Battlefield and Mass Effect do on PC rather then F2P MMO # 22 in China that pulls down 250 million in microtransactions a year.

Whether they underestimate or overestimate DD numbers is unknown and just speculation. I'd venture to guess that Steam does very well for Valve but if you put it in full context is not anywhere near what the retail market is even now. That's 70% of DD sales too.
    
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no i dont believe amd will let intel get away this easy .amd will want to show off trinity vs ivy bridge and on that front intel isnt even close .and if amd show it off using winzip (via opencl)etc etc .amd can gain alot but they will have to be seen.like will they be on amd window 8 trinity?etc.
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