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Its dedicated not discrete!
Discrete implies small and to go unseen, dedicated means with the sole purpose of doing a particular task.

Discreet != Discrete

Discrete means separate or distinct.
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Did the sound card die just because integrated sound became good enough for 95% of the people?
 
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Some graphics cards sales figures may have been useful in that media snippet.
    
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Discreet != Discrete
Discrete means separate or distinct.

Well I still don't like it

Anyway, until someone develops an iGPU which has the power of today's GTX 580 dedicated graphics cards won't die. Even then we will probably be using resolutions beyond today's GTX 580's, so dedicated cards will still be alive and well. Not to mention the number of polygons will increase.
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Did the sound card die just because integrated sound became good enough for 95% of the people?

Almost, but that's a bad example since we process visual information at a much higher level than we do sound.


And we are actually fairly close to killing off the discrete GPU. Performance will continue to increase, but there's a limit to how much of it an artist can utilize. Being able to draw 100 billion triangles/second means you need an artist that can create a scene that uses a billion triangles. Once the on-die GPUs are capable of processing as many triangles as its practically possible I think we'll see a shift from having a single all-purpose GPU to having the on-die GPU offload frames to an add-on card for extra processing. Things like ambient occlusion, proper reflections and shadows, particle physics. Even real-time ray tracing could be possible if nVidia and AMD stopped focusing on triangles.
    
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Let's look at how he may have put the conclusion together.
Way back in the early days, low end graphics were on cards, then they moved to chipsets, now they're on the CPU itself.
All he does is see that discrete GPU sales are down, and sales of chips with built in iGPUs are way up. Simple eh?

But wait, sales of GPUs at the mid-point and above that beat an iGPU are pretty static from what I hear, maybe down a bit. But the whole economy is in poor shape.
Then again, let's look out there, you know, in the real world. There aren't that many games that will stress a high end card from 2 generations back. If you don't want to run multi-displays, why would you get rid of that GTX295 or GTX480? That old 5870 is still able to put out high frame rates at good settings at 1080p or even above. Yes, the newer cards are better and faster, but there aren't currently the games out there in big numbers that require you to move from a 2 gen old card. So why blow a huge amount of money to go to the new top end when your job may end tomorrow?

The thing is that sales of a chip with an integrated solution are not necessarily a lost GPU sale, my rig is a case in point. Where the lost sales will come, as others have pointed out, is the low end and portable market. The Intel iGPU in sandy and Ivy is enough to run a desktop, play video and keep farmville happy.
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I certainly wouldn't mind not needing a dedicated gpu to take advantage of what modern games have to offer, but the mainstream cards can barely even keep up as it is, much less integrated.
    
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Article is correct in that profitable entry-level discrete GPUs are disappearing. This is due to Intel and AMD's better iGPU.

However, this article is 2 years late.... NVIDIA and ATI/AMD have known about this for years already. This is one reason why NVIDIA has attempted to branch out with GPGPU, PhysX, and Tegra.

A discrete GPU use to be needed for video acceleration and entry-level games.... this huge market is basically gone.
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Apparently they forget that people use graphics cards for a lot more than just gaming. Best way to build a supercomputer is with a TON of high-end cards (Looking at you there, Cray).
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Apparently they forget that people use graphics cards for a lot more than just gaming. Best way to build a supercomputer is with a TON of high-end cards (Looking at you there, Cray).

That is a smaller market share. Those in the GPU industry have known about the shrinking discrete GPU market. There is no need to buy that high volume GeForce 8400GS or Radeon 3400 weak entry-level GPU anymore with iGPUs that are just as fast, if not faster.

This is why Nvidia went to that GPGPU oriented GPU with Fermi. Discrete GPUs are being relegated to the smaller HPC and high end gaming market.

The analyst is just regurgitating what everyone in the know back then already foresaw.
Edited by Riou - 5/2/12 at 5:57am
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