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The only two ways I see Linux having a chance without the help (meaning complete incompetence on their parts) of Apple of Microsoft is through supplanting or complimenting either in school usage. MS/Windows grew I'd wager more rapidly due to the saturation of the school computer than it could have without it and Apple has grown in proportion to the level of educational installment it has made whether through the rich kids buying laptops and perpetrating an envy complex or what not. Familiarity/complacency is the easiest way to make a customer.
The second way is through more people selling hardware with Linux preinstalled. But that is still a massive problem as many places charge a very steep price for outdated hardware or they list in bold that they don't offer support for the Linux installs; all while not being in the mainstream consumers line of sight and therefore not garnering any interest. Then you have the problem of what happens when the big corporations involved in making/distributing hardware modify it and lock it down under their control (this is extremely prevalent with Android). Hardware makers are their own worse enemies in my opinion. Intel let the netbook die not just because of the bickering with distributors/netbook makers over profits sharing/pricing(which is currently an issue or was one involving "ultrabooks" as well); but because they choose an OS that really isn't suited for the hardware. The sad thing is they kind of understood that and created a distro that came to be called MeeGo but never attempted to spread that around. The final nail probably is the use of locked down and almost openly hostile hardware (PowerVR GPUs).
TL:DR version: Either get to the consumer when they're "open" (IE young children in school) or get making hardware (IE your own CPU/GPU).
A final thought: There is one other "problem" with Linux. In certain regards it's magnitudes easier to use even for the "know-nothing" computer users than windows but in others...it's an utter nightmare. This to me stems from what I've always seen as a one sided view of KISS (IE the dev/programmer view). If someone can find the right balance between an end user's and creators view of KISS then they'd solve a pretty big problem which would cut down on the need for "support".

 

Linux in general or a specific distro must conquer an aspect of life, of the "must have".

 

windows did it by allowing you to install it on pretty much any pc hardware you wanted and when that wasn't enough, they cornered the gaming market, which to some is a "must have".

 

apple, originally they challenged the way things were. Hence the name "apple" as in "eve ate the apple" (not sure if that story is a 100% correct how they chose that name, as i did read it in a blog after steve job's death, but it made sense so thats my story). when that wasn't working for them any longer, they came out for the multimedia enthusiast, and now it seems they are catering to "simplicity" of "just want it to work". 

 

One would think linux just being free, would be enough to put it in the place of "must have", but unfortunately most people are weary of free things, I blame devious greeks and a wooden horse for that. Linux has found its niche tho like apple and MS did, but unfortunately that is not on the desktop, its on the server. Some could even argue its found a place in the mobile market with android, but that might be just me splitting hairs not considering android a linux distro, linux kernel yes, distro...maybe when android x86 comes out as an official port.

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apple, originally they challenged the way things were. Hence the name "apple" as in "eve ate the apple" (not sure if that story is a 100% correct how they chose that name, as i did read it in a blog after steve job's death, but it made sense so thats my story). when that wasn't working for them any longer, they came out for the multimedia enthusiast, and now it seems they are catering to "simplicity" of "just want it to work". 

I'm not saying you're wrong as I really don't know the answer, but I heard Apple got it's name from Alan Turing who took his own life by eating a poisoned Apple.
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Linux in general or a specific distro must conquer an aspect of life, of the "must have".

Once that has an answer, the world can change for the better.
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I'm not saying you're wrong as I really don't know the answer, but I heard Apple got it's name from Alan Turing who took his own life by eating a poisoned Apple.

yeah i've heard that one too, i've also heard one where when it came time to name the company when they were filing, him and woz were setting around trying to come up with a name, and if 5 oclock came and they hadn't decided he held up the apple he was eating and said the name was going to be apple, others i've heard that it is reference to newton how he changed the world with gravity, and the story of the apple falling off the tree, others i've heard is how he worked at a apple orchid the summer before and it was a reminder of where he comes from, others was him and woz use to play in a apple orchad by their houses growing up and they grew macintosh apples.

 

It was actual one i hadn't heard before, and it made a bit of sense after reading some things about jobs' view on religion. But one could prolly say any of the above stories is true, as they've prolly all have been told at one time. I tell 3 different stories on how i came up with the name for my company, all true in one way or another, they are just far more interesting than the truth :).

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yeah i've heard that one too, i've also heard one where when it came time to name the company when they were filing, him and woz were setting around trying to come up with a name, and if 5 oclock came and they hadn't decided he held up the apple he was eating and said the name was going to be apple, others i've heard that it is reference to newton how he changed the world with gravity, and the story of the apple falling off the tree, others i've heard is how he worked at a apple orchid the summer before and it was a reminder of where he comes from, others was him and woz use to play in a apple orchad by their houses growing up and they grew macintosh apples.

It was actual one i hadn't heard before, and it made a bit of sense after reading some things about jobs' view on religion. But one could prolly say any of the above stories is true, as they've prolly all have been told at one time. I tell 3 different stories on how i came up with the name for my company, all true in one way or another, they are just far more interesting than the truth smile.gif.

Oh wow, I hadn't realised there was that many theories for the origins of the name. Fascinating stuff smile.gif
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Maybe the old Apple logo has a hint to the story? wink.gif

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Hey....just came to me when I was thinking about it...but are the licensing (GPL or whatever) terms part of the problem? IE they may not really allow people to make more than a "non-profit" income off their software. I really don't know much about them so I'm asking. They seem really against any profit when I read them but I may have flawed interpretation.
     
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Hey....just came to me when I was thinking about it...but are the licensing (GPL or whatever) terms part of the problem? IE they may not really allow people to make more than a "non-profit" income off their software. I really don't know much about them so I'm asking. They seem really against any profit when I read them but I may have flawed interpretation.

You can make profit on GPL, you just have to supply source on demand.

Plenty of commercial software runs on Linux though:
  • Android
  • Redhat
  • TomTom
  • Many routers
  • Many NAS solutions
  • Some VoIP telecoms solutions
  • Some satellite boxes
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Hey....just came to me when I was thinking about it...but are the licensing (GPL or whatever) terms part of the problem? IE they may not really allow people to make more than a "non-profit" income off their software. I really don't know much about them so I'm asking. They seem really against any profit when I read them but I may have flawed interpretation.

The GPL is a free as in freedom software license, not free as in cost. You can still sell software licensed under the GPL, you just have to distribute the source code along with it, and you have to grant the buyers the same freedom. So obviously if you want to make a serious profit off your software, GPL wouldn't be your first choice.

Here's the thing though, software can be released under any license the developer chooses. The license is just a document that says what you can and can't do to the software. Software developers writing applications for Linux are not bound to the GPL. The GPL is just one of the many available licenses. There's also the MIT and the BSD license for those that dislike the GPL. But all these licenses are very limiting to the developer that's looking to make money. In that case, they can use a different license.

So it's not the licensing so much that's the problem. Adobe can release closed source software for Linux if they wanted, under their own license. The issue is that software developers coding for a profit think that we're all hippies who hate paying for things.
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ROFL. Probably because your WMs are way more impressive than my simple E17 or KDE setups.
That and you probably aren't upset with your netbook like many windows users I've seen seem to be.
Well they don't stop from walking by and ask about it often (people aren't that free from their everyday narcissism around here). Seriously...it's nothing and I mean nothing compared to you guys on here with i3, awesome, and the other WMs. They see my pretty basic KDE and actually have this confused look when "win7" just did a "mac" thing (present all windows). What's really amusing is when they see my netbook with E17 and they wonder how the heck I made "windows look cool and run fast on that junky thing". Finally, it's really fun when you go to a school computer lab and load up a Linux distro and people are wondering how you did this and that. Since I'm mostly in the business side of the university (Accounting and Finance major here smile.gif) they all look at it like it's some magic trick when they're not busy with either school or some shallow gossip.
I hope I didn't make it sound like I drew crowds...just that people notice when they notice and it peaks some interest.
@ragtag: It's not just laziness but also an assessment of the payoff...Hell I'm in that position when it comes between choosing Archbang, Bodhi, or Kubuntu for my desktop. I'll probably end up with Kubuntu just because I'm lazy but also it's a choice on the balance of getting what I want for the least amount of headaches or effort to get things working the way I'm happy with (different than want). The true lazy part is when they just don't care to consider another alternative when you mention it to them; hence the turned off about being told of Linux. There's more to the reasons why people are...I guess you could say afraid of Linux though...the biggest one is familiarity/exposure. Apple's moves to try and enter a bigger part of the education system where MS has usually been dominant, are extremely important to Apple's future because that's were you basically acclimate people to an OS/software especially when they are younger and can add them to your customers.
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